In porn, when is extreme too extreme?

[Dats]

I really want to get some opinions on this. Where do you draw the line, what is extreme and what is too extreme? Porn has gotten a lot more extreme in the past few years. Things that were considered extreme and filthy 8 years ago are now in mainstream porn. I remember when ass to mouth was considered extreme, now it's in a majority of mainstream porn movies. How far can it go before a limit is reached?

I'm like most of you, I like this fetish, gapes, double anal, fisting,... basicly dilating but also other stuff that most people would find weird or bizarre like pissing, enemas, some domination, some "abuse" (like the max hardcore scenes for example). What I'm trying to say is, like most of you, there isn't much in porn that shocks me anymore.

You probably all know Mia from Fistinglessons and that she came back after 5 years (the videos were posted in the movie section). I already found that she acted completely different in those 2 bonus scenes posted here. She always seemed to be into it, loving it all, but in those 2 movies she cries and has a "nervous breakdown".
I got on the Fistinglessons website today and I saw that there was a third bonus movie, that hasn't been posted here (and as far as I know, not on the other boards that I lurk on either). I immediatly downloaded it, starting with the last clip, my password expired shortly after I got it.
Before you get excited, I'm not posting it because 1/ it disgusts me and 2/ I don't want to get in trouble. It's a 7 minute clip with Mia and Steve Sweet. During the entire clip she is crying out loud, definitely real. She tries to push him away several times but he completly ignores it and pushes his cock in her mouth. At one point she lies lifeless on a chair while he is sitting on her back trying to fist her ass. When she starts screaming he puts his hand before her mouth and when he inserts his fist you can still hear her scream even with the hand before her mouth. When he pulls out in the end she screams out in pain again. I've seen enough porn in my life to know the difference between a faked scream of joy and a scream of extreme pain. I've seen some of those fake rape videos and none of the girls in those videos looked anything like this.

This was definitely no acting and didn't look at all consensual. My first thought was, even for a fetish site, this is way out of line. Can they just do that? Is that allowed? I mean, the US government has forced Meatholes to remove videos because they looked violent, this is way worse.

I don't know what more to say. Has anyone else seen that movie? If so, is it just me or do you agree? Maybe some opinions on the opening question, what are your thoughts?

[Tangerine]

Same as you. I like BDSM but it looks like too much for me if itsn't for play. (° °) Edited March 30, 2008 by Tangerine

[RQUEEN]

Im sorry but thats the kind of movie I LOVE im female and those bitches can go get a real job or work in afast food any time they want but they chose to be whores. They get paid to be whores. There is far more trips to the hospital done by anal damage that you would ever guess seeing the girls in the movies. This whore probably shot too many scenes that week and shouldnt have been wortking.

The adult industry is hard, we call them whores because they sell their bodies, they overbook themselves because in a few years they wont be able to get work. Pity? I have none. Also I am a massive fan of khan tusion and his work on meatholes removing his content and shutting down people who make these "extreme videos" is a bad choice. Once they start on that then they need to find a new genre to shut down.

And now Im going to download this Mia video because seeing whores in pain gets me off Im a sadist. As long as it involves adults at a legal age then I have no issue with the extremity the movies go to. They make a choice to do porn, an easy choice. Its much hardser to go and get an education or a real job to pay for a cute car and clothes and jewellery.

So fuck them they know what they are doing and culture dictates that we want more extreme.. IT SELLS. I expect porn will only get more extreme with time passing and not regress... how do I feel about that? Exactly the same as long as it does not involve children I am a consumer.

[RQUEEN]

oh and other sites have extra clips like this bambi in facial abuse there is a clip of her been fisted all watermarks removed guess they didnt want anyone to know :/ but she lies there for the whole 30 mins crying in pain while he fists her... and then there is the missing brandi star video which was replaced with one less hardcore for viewers... censored much.....

[Tangerine]

Hahaha RQUEEN I was sure you'll react in that way Your posts sing for your passion for that kind. Not to mention your former signature.

Yes I'm not so deep in our games and sometimes it's too much for me but I greet you for your uncredible posts, a great gift to the board, finely edited and designed with many rare infos (I presume haha ). A creative & shocking great extrem porn panorama. Big up for that RQUEEN !

Ok back to the topic, yes that poor girls crying must censored ! (^ ^) Edited March 30, 2008 by Tangerine

[RQUEEN]

hehe you are sweet tangerine. I by no means expect everyuone on this board to agree with me and I know that this is definetly too much for most people but like you said... this is what gets me off.

If these movies are not produced in the US they move to Europe and then you are looking more at girls who are sold into the sex trade human trafficking a very real issue.

I support action against trafficing of people and forced into the sex trade.

I do not support whores who come back into the business after 5 years KNOWING they will have to do more extreme stuff to make any money OR get hired because of how many younger girls are in the industry. I am aware of how much scenes pay and I read a lot of adult boards and know how hard porn is on the body and have seen both whores and producers of content write about girls who take on too much work and then cant do the shoot properly. There is also massive drug and alcohol abuse in the industry. She came back because she needed more money.

Porn is a easy solution like prostitution. It might hurt but the wad of cash in your hand at the end is quicker than taking up a degree at even a community college or working 8 hours a day at a mininum wage.

She got paid for her scene she might hate herself for it probably does I read a lot of the ex pornstars blogs and how they hated every minute of their work. Porn is a fantasy and we buy into it. I am still voting for her having shot a lot of scenes at once and thats hard as fuck on the body from the anal we see now a days.

I am just happy that I am able to freely enjoy the porn that gets Me off in the comfort of my home without it hurting anyone else.

I am also very aware of how extreme my own tastes are and how distasteful that is to other porn viewers. So I just want to let you know that I completely respect others views on this and have no issue with people feeling strongly about my own views. I am a respectful person and never push them on anyone. I do like a good discussion though and am interested about others POV. Since I am so jaded I sometimes forget that others are shocked by what I see daily.

So yeah I love this board and am a big supporter of RB forum I will always post my porn but I think this is good that I have expressed my views clearly here as it may remind people that most of my posts border very much on what the original poster brought up.

Just think of me as a person with a warning label across her : WARNING : NOT SAFE FOR AVERAGE CONSUMPTION

[Dats]

Don't get me wrong rqueen, I'm very much like yourself (well, not female ). I've seen those khan movies too, not the bambi movie you described though. I'm relatively fine with those, even though that's not my favorite kind of movies.

I agree with you on a lot of things you said. While I respect pornstars for giving us pleasure, I don't pity them because they chose this kind of work and they're just doing it for the quick money. So I don't really think of pornstars as 'poor girls' as Tangerine said it. But you said 2 things that I find interesting. They make the choice to do porn. And that you're against forced sextrade. Choice and forced.
When watching a movie, how can you tell if it's one or the other? When a girl agrees to do a scene for x amount of money, even if she signs a contract beforehand, do you think that from that moment on she has to do the scene or do you think she can still quit at any time if she wants to, ofcourse losing the cash.

Personally I think that even if there's a contract, if the girl (or guy for that matter) feels uncomfortable mid-scene and doesn't want to go through with it, she/he should be able to quit any at any time. And here lies my problem. When watching videos, including rough ones, there's always a gut feeling telling me if this is possible or not. The feeling telling me, she's in a lot of pain but she wants her cash so bad she's enduring it or the feeling I had yesterday. In parts of that movie I felt, she's really trying to end it but he's just not letting her.

Let me rephrase my initial question. A lot of porn nowadays focuses on "abuse". And not just the fetishy sites like meatholes or max hardcore, even more mainstream sites like gagfactor try to make their girls look as abused as possible at the end of the scene. So how and when can you tell, this is fake abuse, it's the girl's choice because she wants the money or this is real abuse that the girl can't escape from if she wanted it?

[RQUEEN]

I think there is REAL abuse that is always going to occur because industry guidelines in sex industries are not well monitored and people tend not to care as much. Its the dirty stuff we want to cover up. Now I know that companies have to pay a kill fee if the person walks on the set. I know most of the extreme sites are very clear about kill fees aand stopping shooting. Ive also seen footage unfaked of it like rough sex 2 which I uploaded recently.. they told one girl at the beginning she couldnt do the scene and she couldnt she broke down before it got any where and was comforted by the other girls.

I think a lot of these workers are on drugs or may come from abusive backgrounds and in many amateur sites they are ill informed get in too deep and clearly do things they dont want to do. Still that does not change that they are been paid to do it and whether its that job or not they can leave and start a new career... of course different for contract girls they would probably have to pay their way out of it.

It still comes back to me as one thing nearly ALL of these models / whores / stars whatever we want to call them come back and do more porn. Slaves to money or their boyfriends or drugs who knows? Each is a different case. This one Mia left the industry and has returned 5 years later. I doubt anyone dragged her back to the set, she obviously needed to come back for saome reason and therefore as I said probably agreed to go to more extremes than she may have before.

To me a threat of losing money or potential jobs to walk out on a shoot is one thing. It could effect the girls career definetly but she can do it how much is she held there by feeling she has to continue is a different variable altogether... Yes she can she can physically stop making a shoot? Sure she just may have thoughts or reasons that make her think its better for her to stay and possibly suffer through it.

Still we could argue that for most pornstars all they are doing is suffering through each scene with a painted on face pretending to love every minute of it.. I posted a vid of BBW star elizabeth rollings a while back she was living a total lie she hated every minute of her job and had to drink to get through it.. very different from what we see on the screen.

Mia may have hated it just as much in her earlier days but the time pressure and activities have made her more mentally fragile OR its marketing.. there is a massive market for abusive videos and violence. Without knowing her there is no way to tell... but from what you wrote and having seen movies like this myself Ill bet she hated it and wanted out but there was probably things she needed more and did it anyway.

The difference with the sextrade. A human slave holds no passport, threats are made against their families and children back home, not completeing a scene or servicing a customer will result in injury to them or their loved ones. Real rape, and physical abuse. They can not walk away and if they were given the choice to choose they just dont have one. I cant remember recent figures on sex trade numbers but they are horrific. In saying that America is a major centre for the end product so it is as likely that these women are appearing in more obscure us based porn.

If you are going to look at it like that you get kind of stuck because any video could potentially be done under duress one making it illegal and actual rape but at the same time a movie could be done with someone who enjoys pain and been hurt and is happy to collect their check at the end.

I make sure that porn I watch involves adults only if I am concerned about the origin or age of the content I will not risk it. I however actively watch for movies where the girls are only in it for the money and hate their job. Seeing their faces as they whore themselves out gives me a perverse pleasure. Wrong or right I am honest about it and it is certainly something that appeals to a ever growing market.

Then considering we feed our kids on violent games, violent television and a world where violent crime or war is a daily news event can we really expect society to not be growing in this direction.

Every year more extreme porn comes out, stuff I nevcer thought i would see. Canings and torture that will physically and mentally scar the women for life. Yet reading their sites and model applications they know what they are in for and how they wqill be paid. I will continue to enjoy and masturbate to these films. If however it was uncovered that women were been forced into making them and had no choice, would I still? I would like to say that answer is no but porn is an addiction like any other. Like an extreme sport I always want to push the limits more and as long as there are whores ready to spread their legs and get paid there will be people watching and there will be people like me watching to see if it hurts.

In the end there really is no way to tell as apeople who view porn we have to accept that at some point or many points we have seen a movie or content where it was non consensual for one reason or another whether illegal like sex trade or legal like needing to payu rent or feed kids. C'est la vie.

[Tangerine]

Yes "c'est la vie", dear friendz. Thanks for your honnesty and I was jokin as usal about the poor girls
Well in fact some times they really are , especially when hooked on crack. Can't stop my compassional point of view mixed with my SM tendancies muahah. :
Please keep on sharing thoughts on/and extreme material guys ! Big up to ya ! (^ ^ ) Edited March 30, 2008 by Tangerine

[hapwinston]

I enjoy watching them going thro in pain but can't stop feeling sorry for them

[marci]

Ok, but do Mia and Steve live together in marriage, don't they? Or divorced? Or never been in marriage? Edited March 30, 2008 by marci

[anllover]

I totally agree with RQ on this. With the exception of those sold in sex trade and forced all the rest are given a choice, and they choose to go through the scene and take the cake. If the scene is too much they can stop, but probably don't get paid. As well they don't have to come back.

So fuckem and let em cry (in cases like Mia's). I do have sympathy for those forced into it.

[latexbarbieTS]

Unfortunately fans of sites are demanding more and more extreme stuff from the sites. And the owners of the sites are pushed to doing it. And alot of the sites that used to care for the girls dont do so much anymore and the girls get tore up pretty fast in the scene(by scene i am meaning all porn, fetish, bdsm stuff). And the models for some of these sites dont know what they are getting into when they agree to do a movie or shoot. Its why theres a high turnover for alot of models. Sites such as hogtied and insex are notorious for fucking girls up in their shoots, they are just extremely lucky they havent killed anyone yet. And with SOOOOOO many porn sites on the internet its really hard to make new interesting content without going a bit extreme. But for those that are TRUELY into and enjoy extreme things its fun as long as its SAFE, SANE, CONSENSUAL!!!!! On another topic you have lawmakers that are trying to make illegal any sort of content that is deemed "harmful", i really hope these laws will be shot down but i doubt it in the end.

Barbie

[bumperfan]

I remember when penthouse & playboy didn't show female fur...now penetration is common place! I remember a friend inviting me to go to the "bathhouses" in NY....Now they are closed!

Times change! My wife & I can't get off just doing a dick slide into a pussy....Boring!!! Fist, piss, pain, waiting for the cum, tease, hurt, squirt.....Maybe let her get off....maybe later, cunt!

The Caligula syndrome....& we are as deep into it as many.

Ahhh...such is the life of the extremist sex fiends!

BTW, RQ, Have You ever read "redlegtigers" story "Karin & Michelles sad story"? (asstr site)

Very hot scat, domination, torture....not for the faint-of-heart!--bf

[gninori]

so, is it possible to see this infamous mia's clip and then judge?

[RQUEEN]

I am looking for the clip I watched the first two and got the feeling that there was a deeper relationship between the two maybe what someoen else said about her been married to him before?

Either way I was still coming to the same conclusion particularly in bonus scene two in the bathroom where he is pissing on her she says clearly "You are asking a lot for 530am" Also in bonus scene 1 she says shes back for good and has a new website which when you go to the site redirects to sweetmembers.

All of which makes me think that she shot the fisting lessons scene and the other ones all at once and possibly any other new scenes of her. Maybe she flew back from where she had been to do them but they were done on a schedule and it was obvious that she was in pain because she had been overworking. Whether she planned this herself to get it over and doen with or was flown down and agreed to a certain number of scenes in an amount of time. Who knows. I still think thats what it was.

The scenes were rough but I felt there was something going on between the two and I didnt think she would be leaving after the shoot finished. The crying well at times it was very genuine I think she just tried to get out of the biz she came back because she realised how hard it is to make a living with a 9-5 job and shes a few years older her body doesnt recover as fast and its played a mental toll on her over the years since she left and been back in front of the camera again and obviously exhausted showing. I also strongly feel drugs for the extremity of the fisting shes always done, the comment about how her ass was fucked when she quit, how thin she is and that she looks pasty and unwell.

Moral of the story? Make sure your daughters have confidence in a wide range of things and are praised not soley for looks or material things. Ingrain a sense of worth into them and kiddies stay off the drugs


and bumperfan nope I havent going to check it out, thnx

[minx]

Completely agree with RQueen...and would say it gets me off too.

Have been there and done it, and at the end of the day its just a job like any other in a lot of respects. I'm guessing you all have really bad days where you don't want to do something but you grit your teeth and get on with it. Same with sex work. Sometimes you don't fancy it.

Plus lets remember you're not always in the mood for someones hand up your arse, even if you were when you agreed to it.

[Milalover]

My mind is still far beyond what is deemed ok by even RQUEEN, I got some really well...

outrageous stuff going on in there. I personally don't like resistance, because then it becomes a power of wills, and I know my middle name is will, so I'll always be more stubborn and hormonal enough to get my way. Then it becomes almost assexual, or how men fight men, but with a woman. It just doesn't fit in sexuality.

Yes, I hate that the pretty tapestry picture of "enjoyment," while "acting genuine and sincere" in porn is a complete mirage, it doesn't mean I don't have a desire for it to be that way.

Everything we do that isn't logical usually means we're escaping from reality in some way, through irrational means, thus causing unwanted consequences.

I still want the fucking scene... I bet it's something I've been wanting to see.

[RQUEEN]

okkkk thanks to 216 here is bonus scene 3

http://images1.filecloud.com/704047/ms_sa3.jpeg

http://rapidshare.com/files/108947394/ms_sa4.zip.001
http://rapidshare.com/files/108938808/ms_sa4.zip.002
http://rapidshare.com/files/108871874/ms_sa4.zip.003
http://rapidshare.com/files/108867542/ms_sa4.zip.004
http://rapidshare.com/files/108862976/ms_sa4.zip.005
http://rapidshare.com/files/108858021/ms_sa4.zip.006

P/W: (216)

[fiib]

Unfortunately the collective over at mind-head feels as though the relative perspective of sexual enjoyment is better kept a secret; however we should throw it all right into the eye of the public because suicide has never caused a person to be brought back from the dead on the account of the victim. Who fucking cares.

I really want to get some opinions on this. Where do you draw the line, what is extreme and what is too extreme? Porn has gotten a lot more extreme in the past few years. Things that were considered extreme and filthy 8 years ago are now in mainstream porn. I remember when ass to mouth was considered extreme, now it's in a majority of mainstream porn movies. How far can it go before a limit is reached?

I'm like most of you, I like this fetish, gapes, double anal, fisting,... basicly dilating but also other stuff that most people would find weird or bizarre like pissing, enemas, some domination, some "abuse" (like the max hardcore scenes for example). What I'm trying to say is, like most of you, there isn't much in porn that shocks me anymore.

You probably all know Mia from Fistinglessons and that she came back after 5 years (the videos were posted in the movie section). I already found that she acted completely different in those 2 bonus scenes posted here. She always seemed to be into it, loving it all, but in those 2 movies she cries and has a "nervous breakdown".
I got on the Fistinglessons website today and I saw that there was a third bonus movie, that hasn't been posted here (and as far as I know, not on the other boards that I lurk on either). I immediatly downloaded it, starting with the last clip, my password expired shortly after I got it.
Before you get excited, I'm not posting it because 1/ it disgusts me and 2/ I don't want to get in trouble. It's a 7 minute clip with Mia and Steve Sweet. During the entire clip she is crying out loud, definitely real. She tries to push him away several times but he completly ignores it and pushes his cock in her mouth. At one point she lies lifeless on a chair while he is sitting on her back trying to fist her ass. When she starts screaming he puts his hand before her mouth and when he inserts his fist you can still hear her scream even with the hand before her mouth. When he pulls out in the end she screams out in pain again. I've seen enough porn in my life to know the difference between a faked scream of joy and a scream of extreme pain. I've seen some of those fake rape videos and none of the girls in those videos looked anything like this.

This was definitely no acting and didn't look at all consensual. My first thought was, even for a fetish site, this is way out of line. Can they just do that? Is that allowed? I mean, the US government has forced Meatholes to remove videos because they looked violent, this is way worse.

I don't know what more to say. Has anyone else seen that movie? If so, is it just me or do you agree? Maybe some opinions on the opening question, what are your thoughts?

[curiousboy]

Well well well....another interesting topic I missed while away! My regars to the honesty of RQEEN, my thanx to the mod team and the good ol members group of our board for the pleasure of reading it.... and my taste is: ok bdsm but don`t like blood (istinctive rejection: health, permanent damage)
My point of view: one` freedom ends where someone else`s freedom begins...very easy. Just to get straight to the point: if they, Mia or anyone, choosed to cry (because I don`t belive they don`t know what`s gonna happen to them when they agree the job), well let them cry, make money, get people off....why not? There is people choosing years of prison for fraud to enjoy the money when they come out! What`s a bit of crying for some good dollars? (even if I would prefer euros, hehehe). I will always respect ppl´s choices about their own lifes. And they choosed to make money that way....so for freedom`s sake let them do their money the way they choose and watch the the porn they like.

It`s all been said already (I think I recall a similar discussion on the previous version of the board), but I just wanted to add my 2 cents and give you all (openminded and tollerant members and mods only) a hug,

cb

[szalony_kucharz]

Im sorry but thats the kind of movie I LOVE im female and those bitches can go get a real job or work in afast food any time they want but they chose to be whores.

What has your being a female got to do with the problem of ever growing exploitation in sex industry. That you happen to be the same sex as most of the people on the receiving end of extreme pornography? Like being a female means you know how it is to be a whore? Well, young lady, there is a whole ocean of a difference between these two. Female is a gender, whore is a mind-bending profession. And mind you, not everyone who works as a whore, wants to be a whore. Just like not everyone becomes a whore because of their innate whorish streak coming into full bloom.

This whore probably shot too many scenes that week and shouldnt have been wortking.

Yeah, life is sooo simple in the internet realm. Just please don't tell me you know the subject from autopsy, as you just happen to be a whore yourself offline, or a heartless female pimp, to make things more interesting.

And now Im going to download this Mia video because seeing whores in pain gets me off Im a sadist.

Don't flatter yourself, you're not a sadist. Just another soulless, internet porn addict with a nowadays fashionable penchant for the extreme. Who also prides herself upon the fact that she is a FEMALE extreme porn addict. Now try to top that, ye'all vanilla suckers!

So fuck them they know what they are doing and culture dictates that we want more extreme.. IT SELLS.

Now that sounds sooo post-soviet... Culture does not dictate shit! At least it does not dictate that anyone be downloading pornographic material of extreme nature with highly questionable consentual aspect.

"IT SELLS" Don't make me laugh! When was the last time you had to actually PAY to get your sick kicks, you notorious violator of copyrights? Because that's the problem! That is the problem! It doesn't sell enough, because of the piracy pandemic on the Net. All those rapidshares, bittorrents and porntubes make pornography so cheap it is virtually free. With price comes responsibility. Responsibility for what you're buying. What responsibility do you have when you don't really have to pay? Like cheap booze, anything goes, as long as it's shitty enough. So porn producers have to double and treble their efforts, intensify the content, renumerate their employees less and less, and make them shoot not a hundred but 300 ATM scenes a year, come up with ever sicker ideas, so some porn obsessed jerk with 80Gbytes of filth and no life at all would finally whip out his CC and subscribe.

[curiousboy]

What has your being a female got to do with the problem of ever growing exploitation in sex industry. That you happen to be the same sex as most of the people on the receiving end of extreme pornography? Like being a female means you know how it is to be a whore? Well, young lady, there is a whole ocean of a difference between these two. Female is a gender, whore is a mind-bending profession. And mind you, not everyone who works as a whore, wants to be a whore. Just like not everyone becomes a whore because of their innate whorish streak coming into full bloom.
Yeah, life is sooo simple in the internet realm. Just please don't tell me you know the subject from autopsy, as you just happen to be a whore yourself offline, or a heartless female pimp, to make things more interesting.
Don't flatter yourself, you're not a sadist. Just another soulless, internet porn addict with a nowadays fashionable penchant for the extreme. Who also prides herself upon the fact that she is a FEMALE extreme porn addict. Now try to top that, ye'all vanilla suckers!
Now that sounds sooo post-soviet... Culture does not dictate shit! At least it does not dictate that anyone be downloading pornographic material of extreme nature with highly questionable consentual aspect.

"IT SELLS" Don't make me laugh! When was the last time you had to actually PAY to get your sick kicks, you notorious violator of copyrights? Because that's the problem! That is the problem! It doesn't sell enough, because of the piracy pandemic on the Net. All those rapidshares, bittorrents and porntubes make pornography so cheap it is virtually free. With price comes responsibility. Responsibility for what you're buying. What responsibility do you have when you don't really have to pay? Like cheap booze, anything goes, as long as it's shitty enough. So porn producers have to double and treble their efforts, intensify the content, renumerate their employees less and less, and make them shoot not a hundred but 300 ATM scenes a year, come up with ever sicker ideas, so some porn obsessed jerk with 80Gbytes of filth and no life at all would finally whip out his CC and subscribe.

I understand you as well, mate, but isn`t the whole thing going like that? U wanna close e-bay cause the competition is mercyless? Or aren`t the chinese jeopardizing our makets because they have so cheap workers they are almost (often totally) slaves? Same with the music and the movies...etc.
Not talking abouth the brothels in the third world, m8, talking about porn stars...girls who think it`s better than working in a supermarket, by own choice (almost always, I bet)

The point is the freedom, man...
U like it, U watch it
U don`t like it, U watch something else!

...and don`t be so agressive and intollerant , please...

ciao,

cb

[anllover]

...and don`t be so agressive and intollerant , please...

@Szalony Kucharz - I agree. please keep a mellow tone.

[Tangerine]

What has your being a female got to do with the problem of ever growing exploitation in sex industry.

Frankly I'm not sure about RQUEEN gender and i don't give a damn' about it

Yeah, life is sooo simple in the internet realm. Just please don't tell me you know the subject from autopsy, as you just happen to be a whore yourself offline, or a heartless female pimp, to make things more interesting.
Don't flatter yourself, you're not a sadist. Just another soulless, internet porn addict with a nowadays fashionable penchant for the extreme. Who also prides herself upon the fact that she is a FEMALE extreme porn addict. Now try to top that, ye'all vanilla suckers!

Hohooo man, cool down your tone, please, no need to insult anybody here and about the would-be vanilla suckers you're wrong we mostly dig chocolate muahaha .

"IT SELLS" Don't make me laugh! When was the last time you had to actually PAY to get your sick kicks, you notorious violator of copyrights? Because that's the problem! That is the problem! It doesn't sell
enough, because of the piracy pandemic on the Net. All those rapidshares, bittorrents and porntubes make pornography so cheap it is virtually free.

So, what are you doing here then ?

With price comes responsibility. Responsibility for what you're buying. What responsibility do you have when you don't really have to pay? Like cheap booze, anything goes, as long as it's shitty enough. So porn producers have to double and treble their efforts, intensify the content, renumerate their employees less and less, and make them shoot not a hundred but 300 ATM scenes a year, come up with ever sicker ideas, so some porn obsessed jerk with 80Gbytes of filth and no life at all would finally whip out his CC and subscribe.

If you have responsability for the board maybe you could use your CC to make a donation on Paypal (see my sign below), we need money for the server and we're broke. It would be great so we'd be happy then to be able to keep on discussing about the porn piracy pandemic and the world of tomorow. (^ ^) Edited May 2, 2008 by Tangerine