Yet Another One of deeply's Rants

[Guest deeply]

How much time, effort and work does it take, how much entropy and waste is caused, simply because some user of this world-wide sharing network, ignores its primary use? SHARING.

First of all, forum layouts are utter detritus. Apologies to any "personal feelings" squished on there... but they suck as a media outlet tool.

Is there anything better? NO. Every type of media distribution center out there, in whatever form, sucks utter balls for convenience, time saving and information.

They either lack a full compendium of interaction: Blogs.

Or are completely cluttered locations, with no adequate URL management: stream sites.

Maybe even they become an absolute trawl to scan over, with so much information, here and there... 99% of it useless, and in no relative order whatsoever: forums.

This is an idea: how about MAKING IT AS SIMPLE TO USE AS A DESKTOP OR DOCK?

When will there be a website with an integrated dock interface? WHEN?

This will probably happen when cloud computing really kicks off, which is a piss poor time to start, to be honest. Cloud computing takes power out of user hardware, and even software, and sticks it with whoever or whatever runs those servers and data centers. It's corporate control like interactive television and old media: reinvention of sliced bread... dumb, useless... and preset, so there's no choice in preference.

How many users have skimmed over a forum, for hours and hours, searching for that special post, that special link... or used a search tool, for ages looking for a specific file.

There's no categorical directory, anywhere on this web of data.

There is definitely a black hole in usability.

Vast majority of every user's time, is made waiting, looking or spending time working on getting a file. Getting access... not many people that use this giant global network, actually dedicate most of their time to actual productivity... whether that be social or formal.

This Internet has made data sharing progressively worse, not better. Every single flit with half a nut, can ruin hours of uploads, with one click.

Or get a file buried over a mountain of other files, simply because there was no reasonable categorical organization available.

Or chuck a bunch of garbage into a location, for there to be a needle in a haystack to find, that's reasonable.

It's mind-numbing and mentally unnerving, that every user of this global data center, has to trawl through every result from a search, every heuristically associated location, to find that one file. And it was right there, right under that user's nose. A simply piece of data, a simple URL. A simple command script to download. Is that so hard? And that person may never find that file. And that file, may never get downloaded, before it's removed from that location.

Every single file is a grain of sand, pouring through an hourglass, slipping through fingers as they rub back and forth. This web isn't catching them, not one bit.

It's a weapon of waste.

This user, has spent many an hour learning and understanding how computers work. How data works over networks. How programs work. How script works. How to compile binary, or hex... or whatever type of code.

How to MAKE circuitry.

How to compile actual components.

What chemicals work best.

What combinations of chemicals work better.

What physical processes work better than old fashioned processes.

How to avoid malicious software.

How to avoid malicious hardware.

How to be malicious with hardware.

How to be malicious with software.

But by far, something that can't be learned, educated or fully understood, is input behavior.

Input behavior is sporadic, nonsensical and nonlinear. It follows and trickles mind-bending patterns, that yes, MAY BE predictable, but they'll usually trip up over every other algorithm that ISN'T human. Can it all be trained? No, because it has an ability to refuse. It even will refuse upon lethal force, in some exceptional cases. Even upon lethal force to something else far greater than itself... because it can be insane.

Input behavior, has by far, cost this user more time, work and energy than ANY 1024 bit encryption, simple object access protocol, security token, such as:

* X.509 certificates
* Kerberos tickets
* UserID/Password credentials
* SAML-Assertion

or even a custom defined token, transport layer security, end-to-end security, Non-Repudiation, Alternative transport bindings, reverse proxy, canonicalization and parsing reductions when merging of several XML-schemata like SOAP, SAML, XML ENC, XML SIG, etc.

List goes on. Input behavior is second to none, for difficulty. Period. Edited September 16, 2010 by deeply

[analgaping]

Eh?

[Tank]

WTF ?

[v-fist]

[quote name='deeply' date='16 September 2010 - 01:56 AM' timestamp='1284598606' post='204323']
How much time, effort and work does it take, how much entropy and waste is caused, simply because some user of this world-wide sharing network, ignores its primary use? SHARING.

First of all, forum layouts are utter detritus. Apologies to any "personal feelings" squished on there... but they suck as a media outlet tool.

Is there anything better? NO. Every type of media distribution center out there, in whatever form, sucks utter balls for convenience, time saving and information.

They either lack a full compendium of interaction: Blogs.

Or are completely cluttered locations, with no adequate URL management: stream sites.

Maybe even they become an absolute trawl to scan over, with so much information, here and there... 99% of it useless, and in no relative order whatsoever: forums.

This is an idea: how about MAKING IT AS SIMPLE TO USE AS A DESKTOP OR DOCK?

When will there be a website with an integrated dock interface? WHEN?

This will probably happen when cloud computing really kicks off, which is a piss poor time to start, to be honest. Cloud computing takes power out of user hardware, and even software, and sticks it with whoever or whatever runs those servers and data centers. It's corporate control like interactive television and old media: reinvention of sliced bread... dumb, useless... and preset, so there's no choice in preference.

How many users have skimmed over a forum, for hours and hours, searching for that special post, that special link... or used a search tool, for ages looking for a specific file.

There's no categorical directory, anywhere on this web of data.

There is definitely a black hole in usability.

Vast majority of every user's time, is made waiting, looking or spending time working on getting a file. Getting access... not many people that use this giant global network, actually dedicate most of their time to actual productivity... whether that be social or formal.

This Internet has made data sharing progressively worse, not better. Every single flit with half a nut, can ruin hours of uploads, with one click.

Or get a file buried over a mountain of other files, simply because there was no reasonable categorical organization available.

Or chuck a bunch of garbage into a location, for there to be a needle in a haystack to find, that's reasonable.

It's mind-numbing and mentally unnerving, that every user of this global data center, has to trawl through every result from a search, every heuristically associated location, to find that one file. And it was right there, right under that user's nose. A simply piece of data, a simple URL. A simple command script to download. Is that so hard? And that person may never find that file. And that file, may never get downloaded, before it's removed from that location.

Every single file is a grain of sand, pouring through an hourglass, slipping through fingers as they rub back and forth. This web isn't catching them, not one bit.

It's a weapon of waste.

This user, has spent many an hour learning and understanding how computers work. How data works over networks. How programs work. How script works. How to compile binary, or hex... or whatever type of code.

How to MAKE circuitry.

How to compile actual components.

What chemicals work best.

What combinations of chemicals work better.

What physical processes work better than old fashioned processes.

How to avoid malicious software.

How to avoid malicious hardware.

How to be malicious with hardware.

How to be malicious with software.

But by far, something that can't be learned, educated or fully understood, is input behavior.

Input behavior is sporadic, nonsensical and nonlinear. It follows and trickles mind-bending patterns, that yes, MAY BE predictable, but they'll usually trip up over every other algorithm that ISN'T human. Can it all be trained? No, because it has an ability to refuse. It even will refuse upon lethal force, in some exceptional cases. Even upon lethal force to something else far greater than itself... because it can be insane.

Input behavior, has by far, cost this user more time, work and energy than ANY 1024 bit encryption, simple object access protocol, security token, such as:

* X.509 certificates
* Kerberos tickets
* UserID/Password credentials
* SAML-Assertion

or even a custom defined token, transport layer security, end-to-end security, Non-Repudiation, Alternative transport bindings, reverse proxy, canonicalization and parsing reductions when merging of several XML-schemata like SOAP, SAML, XML ENC, XML SIG, etc.

List goes on. Input behavior is second to none, for difficulty. Period.
[/quote]

I think u just went way over everyone's heads. Including mine and I am a developer! LOL
never-the-less I enjoy your posts! Edited September 16, 2010 by v-fist

[Guest deeply]

[quote name='v-fist' date='16 September 2010 - 04:10 PM' timestamp='1284649854' post='204484']
I think u just went way over everyone's heads. Including mine and I am a developer! LOL
never-the-less I enjoy your posts!
[/quote]

It basically was an irritation at "human error," with a brief mention of dock-like browsing. Edited September 17, 2010 by deeply

[v-fist]

[quote name='deeply' date='17 September 2010 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1284733780' post='204705']
It basically was an irritation at "human error," with a brief mention of dock-like browsing.
[/quote]

Aye! that it was...

[Guest deeply]

[quote name='v-fist' date='17 September 2010 - 06:03 PM' timestamp='1284742999' post='204742']
Aye! that it was...
[/quote]

Trying to get last word, Jim?
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In this case, thread.

That's this individual's diagnosis. Edited September 18, 2010 by deeply

[gninori]

so, are we supposed to close it?

[Guest deeply]

[quote name='gninori' date='18 September 2010 - 08:06 PM' timestamp='1284836761' post='205027']
so, are we supposed to close it?
[/quote]

Leave it open, in case a user decides to resuscitate this thread.

It's not D.N.R, simply there hasn't been any user really interested in making any additional intellectual posts.

[Licit]

All it should really take is somebody with your thoughts to design a site that does what you want it to efficiently. Shouldn't be that hard but typically those that know best aren't the ones opening sites or forums, until they do we are stuck with what is available. So we will continue to have to search and hope for the best I guess. Generally I am able to find what I am looking for, but I have varied tastes in material so it makes it a bit easier. Hell, simply having a forum that uses only a few devoted upload sites(RS, HF, DF) would be a huge step towards simplification for downloaders. I've wondered why sites don't do that in the first place? You could say that some users wouldn't be able to post but simply having a section dedicated to non-devoted hosts would solve that problem. One issue that seems more and more prevalent is not being able to use the file name so it won't get deleted from host, which then makes it harder to find by search. Hopefully some point will come where your thoughts will be put into action. Edited October 8, 2010 by Licit

[Guest deeply]

[quote name='Licit' date='08 October 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1286513031' post='209902']
All it should really take is somebody with your thoughts to design a site that does what you want it to efficiently.[/quote]

Firstly, prefer to be a vagrant: throwing something "new" onto a network would be like putting a moth to a flame, a red rag to a bull, etc.

It's too conspicuous. Popularity is dangerous exposure. Prefer to stay anonymous: Net neutrality is what keeps this place stable.

Staying in shadows, throwing echoes off a wall, is definitely better than waving up and down in front of an oncoming train.

Plus, don't have time. Work on a subsistent basis: every piece of information is usually introverted.

Got time to complain, and that's about it.

Usually any outreaches to any populous whatsoever, is about a need that can't be independently provided (for example: social interaction, letting off steam, cooperation to provide more efficient utility of independence, etc.).

Any actions done in places like this, are to "build up an appearance."

A certain type of profile: something a little more persuasive.

When there are too many things to do, delegation is key.

When sharing drops, free access becomes a thing of previous times, etc. probably THEN will bust this web wide open with a jackhammer of bespoke utility, for every deprived user.

When there is NO ONE ELSE, no one to stand up and fight restriction of data, then maybe, when this world calls for help... it will be answered.

[quote name='Licit' date='08 October 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1286513031' post='209902']Shouldn't be that hard but typically those that know best aren't the ones opening sites or forums, until they do we are stuck with what is available.[/quote]

Yeah, it's mostly foolhardy extroverts and those that prefer to be in some public mindset.

[quote name='Licit' date='08 October 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1286513031' post='209902']So we will continue to have to search and hope for the best I guess. Generally I am able to find what I am looking for,[/quote]

It takes so long, that usually tasks overlap, and have to multi-task.

Sometimes days... weeks, even... go by without seeing anything reasonable.


[quote name='Licit' date='08 October 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1286513031' post='209902'] but I have varied tastes in material so it makes it a bit easier.[/quote]

One taste: keep it female, keep her attractive enough for it not to seem vile... closer to being vile, more extreme it has to be to warrant usage. Keep it focused on female purity: less male assistance / asexual object assistance (to a lesser degree, as neutral merely waters something down, rather that tainting it), means better.

Any abstractions in that, will be avoided at all costs.

See, most people don't actually GET Gonzo... it's accepting everything as a reality OF and IN a scene: it's where fantasy is restricted utterly. In Gonzo, it is seen as yes, a simulative representation of being there in person... regrettably, but as it's more convenient and more considerate in time allocation, it serves its purpose. It's simply watch, reducing thought... switch off and enjoy, because it's designed for simply that.

[quote name='Licit' date='08 October 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1286513031' post='209902']Hell, simply having a forum that uses only a few devoted upload sites(RS, HF, DF) would be a huge step towards simplification for downloaders. [/quote]

Well, there's no issue really. All in ones offer plenty of legit access to any file host (whatever name file host is, doesn't matter... simply another name, another mirror).

Plus these websites are not SO hard to bypass restrictions on. They're tough for a casual user, sure... but casual users will have to be more selective, as they likely have poor connections and degraded tools for acceleration.

It's fucking when these files do not exist, or they exist so DEEP inside a system (due to being wiped, not nuked), that they become corrupt so much, it becomes too much work to go through every complicated procedure, to stitch them back up again. And they don't exist because some flit has jumped on those links, waving a STOP sign.

Seriously, it's gotten so terrible, that even keeping track of what a file MIGHT be called, WHEN it's uploaded to a server, as well as having advanced scanning techniques to check file host databases, it gets either too flooded with false flags (causing files when they ARE found manually in list generators, that they are already dead), or completely wasteful with bandwidth, due to going through every single possible result.

Some files get blitzkrieg by a bot so fast, program hasn't even managed to put links in a queue, before they've been buzz bombed.

[quote name='Licit' date='08 October 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1286513031' post='209902']I've wondered why sites don't do that in the first place?[/quote]

Lack of organization, lack of being able to deal with whiners, lack of care, etc.

[quote name='Licit' date='08 October 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1286513031' post='209902']You could say that some users wouldn't be able to post but simply having a section dedicated to non-devoted hosts would solve that problem.[/quote]

Yeah, but it's a "look at this" war. Every Tom, Dick and Harry, is trying to get THEIR uploads downloaded, while trying to make sure they don't get link rot.

When someone like paxan, poltutu or alexpeks is told to get to back of a queue, they will violate and ignore those laws, then mods will have to either constantly intervene, or give them a slap.

Because they can spare bandwidth for huge amounts of uploads, pump out titles like no tomorrow (in comparison to casuals), they get every bit of attention they need, so users that would offer alternative mirrors, get put off by some fat cat posting a title first. Reposts are shat upon by anybody that doesn't need a mirror.

And usually it's one line of traffic: casual users will have to download from those links that will take 2 days to work, to even get that file to mirror.

[quote name='Licit' date='08 October 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1286513031' post='209902']
One issue that seems more and more prevalent is not being able to use the file name so it won't get deleted from host, which then makes it harder to find by search.[/quote]

Searching links isn't an issue, as long as hubs (like forums), can keep links active. They offer search tools a hit, while links that are invisible to being tracked, stay safe.

There are many ways to do this, and a simple few are shared here:

http://www.rosebuttboard.com/index.php?showtopic=32916

[quote name='Licit' date='08 October 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1286513031' post='209902']Hopefully some point will come where your thoughts will be put into action.
[/quote]

When file sharing becomes so tough, it becomes too inconvenient for casual users.

[Punch]

Extremely interesting post. definitely going to do some research. Not understanding to that depth, did clear up  a few items.

[jaakkokulta]

Sir, this is Wendy's

[TinyNutsTim]

You want a "dock", put in a pond or buy a macintosh. Things work fine as they are. If you can't figure it out, try that "pond" idea of mine.

Edited April 3, 2020 by TinyNutsTim
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