Lysextreme a man?

[z3n0mal4]

In fact there is no reason to check the hands or the voice when you see exactly there is a pussy there that can't be others than nature's work (surgeons sometimes work well... but never as nature does!)

my 2 cents of course

cheers

cb

I'm with you on this one

[gershi]

i dont see what's wrong with kreamfan's opinion. some facts he exposes can be wrong, some right, but nothing wrong with the quality of his opinion.

As in most cases my dear italian friend is very right

"I may not share your opinion, but I would fight for your right to express it." - René Descartes

Here at RSBB it´s not about WHAT you think (well, some topics are definitely not welcome like child porn, snuff, etc - but these topics are not welcome anywhere where normal people get together). But it´s very much about HOW you express your opinion

I (and I think that I speak for the rest of the crew and also a lot of members) welcome every opinion as long as it is expressed in a respectful way. As Descartes said, I may not share your opinion, but I will listen to you as long as you behave like an intelligent adult. Let´s see it more like a country club where you discuss things. Sometimes very controversial, sometimes mixed with emotions, but always in respect for each other and with no trolling, bashing, calling names and insulting - well, just with good manners

So, back to the actual topic:
kreamfan, you have every right to say: I don´t want to jack off to post-op´s
deeply, you have every right to say: I don´t care about jacking off to post-op´s

But the debate you two have is childish Get real, all we deal with here is fantasy My two REAL sex experiences are sex with my wife (which is very good ) and anal play with myself (which is also excellent ). Everything I get here is VIRTUAL. And that´s what I came here for - mind candy

I will never meet Lys, Bubdzia or Latexangel in real life. And even if I did I think I wouldn´t ask them if they are post-op´s. For me/my mind/my fantasy they are real women (but as I said I wouldn´t give a damn if they were post-op´s because I care for their skills and not for their gender). And that´s all it takes for me

So people, just relax and let the good times roll

gershi

[Tangerine]

Huhu purrrfect etiquette and mood lesson , gershi (^ ^)

[Guest deeply]

[quote name='curiousboy' date='Mar 28 2010, 07:55 PM' post='173236']
In fact there is no reason to check the hands or the voice when you see exactly there is a pussy there that can't be others than nature's work (surgeons sometimes work well... but never as nature does!)

my 2 cents of course

cheers

cb
[/quote]

Surgeons are getting better every day.


[quote name='z3n0mal4' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:11 AM' post='173757']
I'm with you on this one
[/quote]

Yeah well benefit of doubt and all that with Z.


[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']
As in most cases my dear italian friend is very right

"I may not share your opinion, but I would fight for your right to express it." - René Descartes[/quote]

There's truth, and there are lies. There's aforementioned truth proven true, aforementioned truth proven false, aforementioned lies proven true, aforementioned lies proven false.

Due to powers of observation, intention has a premise to have a power in any universe, so allowing difference of opinion (that are worse, because they are based on lies, not truth), is creating an imbalance of flaw within any universe. Study quantum mechanics sometime.

Basically, disagree. More thought and more power of thought goes into making something thought to be true, more it's lived to be true, and eventually, people forget what was true.

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']Here at RSBB it´s not about WHAT you think (well, some topics are definitely not welcome like child porn, snuff, etc - but these topics are not welcome anywhere where normal people get together). But it´s very much about HOW you express your opinion [/quote]

Method in madness is still madness.

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']I (and I think that I speak for the rest of the crew and also a lot of members) welcome every opinion as long as it is expressed in a respectful way. As Descartes said, I may not share your opinion, but I will listen to you as long as you behave like an intelligent adult. Let´s see it more like a country club where you discuss things. Sometimes very controversial, sometimes mixed with emotions, but always in respect for each other and with no trolling, bashing, calling names and insulting - well, just with good manners
[/quote]

Fine, but truth telling is a must.

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']So, back to the actual topic:
kreamfan, you have every right to say: I don´t want to jack off to post-op´s [/quote]

AGREE. And agree that it's not heterosexual to do so.

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']deeply, you have every right to say: I don´t care about jacking off to post-op´s [/quote]

What? Fuck that, NO WAY. Douche bag WENT THERE. For fuck's sake, didn't put that or implied that ONCE.

Do fucking care. A LOT. First one to point a finger. Fuck, Gershi, might as well type, "fruit" or "homo," and fucking start something... arrogant piece of shit...

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']But the debate you two have is childish Get real, all we deal with here is fantasy [/quote]

Dumb ass, it's real women being shown to do real things. This is no fantasy, it's live and interactive (for web cams), or at choice and suited time period.

That's what pornography is. And Gershi is a douche for degrading pornography to a mere "fantasy," wow... get a sense of perspective, this is not Hentai.

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']My two REAL sex experiences are sex with my wife (which is very good )[/quote]

Which is not natural for a heterosexual man (natural to have many partners).

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']and anal play with myself (which is also excellent ). [/quote]

Which shows mental instability and inhibited homosexuality.

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']Everything I get here is VIRTUAL.[/quote]

It's medium may be turned into 0s and 1s, but it has real people on both ends.

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']And that´s what I came here for - mind candy [/quote]

This is hormone, endorphin, cock and balls candy, not mind candy. Mind simply breaks it up for it to be digested.

Can't masturbate without pornography anymore. It's physically dysfunctional. It's as important as having a hand (or 2).

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']I will never meet Lys, Bubdzia or Latexangel in real life.[/quote]

Go on web cam chat and meet them, then...

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']And even if I did I think I wouldn´t ask them if they are post-op´s.[/quote]

Been tempted, but don't want to upset them if they're not. Upset porn stars = poor performances.

[quote name='gershi' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:33 PM' post='173867']For me/my mind/my fantasy they are real women (but as I said I wouldn´t give a damn if they were post-op´s because I care for their skills and not for their gender). And that´s all it takes for me

So people, just relax and let the good times roll

gershi
[/quote]

Disagree. This is anti sexual identity and gender identity. Utter bedlam and chaos.

Libertarianism is a logical fallacy. No one is equal to any one else. Everyone is different. And everyone is superior to somebody else in something, usually. Unless they are complete epic failures that should have been prevented from being born, and all they bring is suffering, pain and agony to others to care and tend for them, as well as themselves from staying alive.

[quote name='Tangerine' date='Mar 31 2010, 10:40 PM' post='173873']
Huhu purrrfect etiquette and mood lesson , gershi (^ ^)
[/quote]

No, it was living in cloud-cuckoo land. Get real: there's winners and losers.

kreamfan has basically lost this debate.

[Guest deeply]

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']
Deeply, maybe if you offend enough people on this forum u might get banned,[/quote]

What?

Gershi suggested that post-ops are what was being supported.

It was completely off touch with debate, came out of nowhere, left field... and showed that Gershi hadn't read anything in any particular detail within this thread.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']just like u did on Surfoo.[/quote]

A contributor black-mailed Camelnut, a new administrator to that particular site, then. That was Greek guy Kosta: becoming inactive on surfoo with contributions (for like 2 weeks), then posting a bundle, after subsequent ban from Camelnut... to get him back posting stuff on forum and user page.

It wasn't about any textual "behavior..."

Camelnut was fine with most cynical garb that was painted over there: what he got pissed off about was being crass and frank about performers, right on their user pages, making them have hysterical fits and temper tantrums, then bailing from site.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']I never disrespected you there, and won't here, but you got a real mood problem dude.[/quote]

Heterosexuality and standards have to be defended: any attack halted. It's a sexual strength, a sexual intelligence.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']How can you start dissing gershi like that, the guy did nothing wrong. [/quote]

Fucking posted about being OK with post-ops, which is in NO WAY TRUE?

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']You try to sound smart by using words like libertarianism,[/quote]

Yeah, meant in Left-wing sense. All this freedom and nonsense about "anything goes" crap.

OK, this is a deal:

If ANY, ANY shit comes where it would rather be unseen if seen, shit is going to hit a fan. Now this shit, will be coming to any user's way, that spreads ridiculous "ideas" about sexuality and gender. That's coming from THIS user.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']yet your sentences are construed in a way that makes it seem you don't even know what it is you're saying.[/quote]

This is a misconstrue of actual thought. Sentences are clear and concise, and read with an open-mind (skepticism and pensiveness, obviously considered beforehand), then there's no difficulty in understanding.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']The way you write gives off an impression that you feel superior to everyone here.[/quote]

No idea what goes on behind forums, don't care... won't ever.

In this debate, when it comes to sexual intelligence, this is an arrow aimed straight and true.

In so far as this meandering into "this is post-op, that is post-op..." junk that's all paranoia and no rationale on kreamfan's side, it would be interesting to actually give examples to kreamfan of actually what post-ops look like.

Not going to RECOMMEND it, but if it's insisted upon (based upon this level of denial), then by all means, evidence will be supplied.

Simone from Brutal Dildos (it has actually been taken off site), might be an example to really pay attention to. That's probably highest amount of post-op look, in mainstream websites.

But look at some post-ops (there's plenty here), if there's reassurance needed. Suggest doing it at a cost/benefit ratio. For every suspicious "female," check out a post-op. So if there's for example, 3 suspicious females... check out 3 actual post-ops, and compare.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']You also act like you are the main moderator/host.[/quote]

There is no song and dance, or performance going on here. No acting.

It's 100% truth. Confidence? Maybe. Disciplined? Maybe. Acting like a moderator / host? No. Not once will there be a "punishment this" "superior" that. Stop muddying waters. This is simply a personal attack, where all attacks made by this user, have been on things brought up, or things this thread has ended up communicating about (due to relationships of similarity).

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']Also, lately your posts are getting weirder and weirder, I think it's time to visit a shrink man.[/quote]

Shrink can go smoke a bowl, and pass a peace pipe around.

Sane. Probably saner than most.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']You remind me of the Bionic Nerd in the Star wards skit (see link below) Triumph The insult dog when the nerd says: I don't deal with lesser life forms. [/quote]

What's all this then? First of all, this is a contradiction. Even if kreamfan were considered inferior, obviously there's negotiations going on. Hostile perhaps, but negotiations nonetheless.

Secondly, that's not what's being considered. kreamfan is superior in so much as caution, in regards to subject. There's superiority for this user, in so much as risk and awareness of risk, what can be responsible for.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']You don't deal with lesser life forms? You must be a lonely guy. Which it sounds like you are.[/quote]

No, far from it. And company is for a need, it has no substance without meaning. Same goes for being solitary.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']Grow up retard,[/quote]

Now who's flaming?

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']I didn't lose any debate, my arguments were much better than yours,[/quote]

Accusation and conjecture, repeated to ad nauseum, with no reference to explanation or evidence. Logical fallacy.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']and I haven't changed my opinion in the slightest.[/quote]

No it hasn't: it's been completely conformist to a narrow-minded and stubborn standpoint. No reflection on inverse questioning, no checking facts and figures, no considering other factors, other free thinkers.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']
Get a grip, it's just pornography,[/quote]

By proxy it's just rosebuttboard.com. This is a non sequitur... it means nothing. Logical fallacy.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898'] it seems pornography is your life here on this forum.[/quote]

Consider what this forum is, would be a place to start.

"ROSEBUTTBOARD - EXTREME ANAL DILATION AND ANAL FISTING"

What other life does this board have, and why would a user choose to do something else here?

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:06 AM' post='173898']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugk37TvIR8E
[/quote]

Not going to waste bandwidth or time. It's probably highly amusing to "guys that like to laugh at anti-social behavior."

[Dats]

Talk of quantum mechanics on a porn board, now I've seen everything.
kreamfan hasn't lost this debate at all since neither side can win. It's your word vs his and yours isn't worth anything more than his, no matter how much you try to gift wrap it. You talk a lot about truth but truth is in the eye of the beholder, seeing as how you can't know absolute truth without physical evidence, which neither of you have. So unless either of you can come up with a birth certificate of the before mentioned women or reports from a plastic surgeon, your "truths" are nothing more but opinions and suspicions and this entire discussion is meaningless.

Also you make it sound like kreamfan is close minded and you are open minded while it's the other way around. kreamfan has his suspicions but you can tell from several posts he made that he isn't completely sure, meaning he hasn't ruled out the other option yet. You on the other hand claim to be so sure of your opinion that you call it absolute truth (which it is not). Your mind is completely fixated on one option without even considering the other one, that is close minded. It is you that aren't considering other factors and as I said before, without evidence you have no facts or figures. It doesn't matter how nicely you try to gift wrap your points by talking about the universe, substance or perspective, at the core of all that you're still only saying "I'm right, you're wrong, shut up".

If I were to take an educated guess here I'd say that you like the actresses mentioned in this thread, you've been turned on by them or had fantasies about them, perhaps even talked to them online, either way. You are repulsed by the very idea that one could be a post-op, you said it yourself that you would be very ashamed of yourself. You feel attacked by kreamfan because if his opinion were to be true, that would mean you have been attracted to a post-op which you associate with homosexuality and therefor you believe that he associates you with homosexuality. And seeing as how there's a 99.9% chance that even if they were post-ops they would never reveal it and you can never know the absolute truth, you set up a mental defence wall to protect you against that shame which causes you to be so defensive.

Even if one of them turned out to be post-op, there is no reason to feel ashamed at all. Because gershi is right, porn is just a fantasy to get people turned on. The people in pictures and videos may be actual people, but you don't know them, you are fantasizing about the mental image you have of them as the performer, not about the actual person. In your mental image she may be a kind submissive sexual person who gets a kick out of pleasing her viewers while in reality she could be a cold hearted bitch who cams to fund her hobby, killing kittens for fun. But that doesn't change anything, because the mental image that you had at that moment will always be the same. The same is true if one turned out to be a post-op, you were never fantasizing about her having been a male but about the mental image you had of her, that being a woman.



Also, people that swear, use namecalling or personal attacks in a debate simply cannot win, since they've already lost by default. Edited April 1, 2010 by Dats

[gninori]

Thank you for your post Dats.

As for me. I want to apologize to Xthorgal. I believe Bubdzia is a female. The other performers I mentioned I still am not sure about, and I will not discuss again. As for the photo of Kream that X sent in this thread, for me, Kream has died after she did surgery-cide.. I like to think of her when she still did not have braces, breast implants, less ab muscles, and brunette hair.

Deeply, you have been cursing out just about everyone on the surfoo forums, and THAT is why they hate you there, and banned you. But regardless, I'll apologize to you. I am from now on ending this discussion. You can surely reply, and I'm sure you will, but I won't answer this thread anymore.

Everyone have a great day.

kreamfan, i dont think you offended Xthorgal. it's not a sin to think that Bubdzia is a post-op, even if she worked with the adminstrator of this site. Maybe it's completely wrong or fool or disprovable (like believing earth is flat, sun revolves around earth, one can predict position and momentum of a particle at the sime time with absolute precision, etc...) but not a mortal sin. in your case i think it was a bit naive, but your opinion was respectful and we respected it, the more believable if it was supported by facts or evidences, difficult to provide in this case. so no need to apologize. while someone else should apologize to gershi for calling him names, the perfect antithesis of what gershi was writing as principle of discussion, the method and form of discussing, not the matter or substance discussed about which is the very opinion expressed

[gershi]

Get real: there's winners and losers.

kreamfan has basically lost this debate.

This means you, sir, are a winner Here is your award

Go on web cam chat and meet them, then...

It seems that you are the one who wants a proof. So maybe you could do it But beware, you might get fooled




But either way, cheers to you



gershi

[curiousboy]

Well, folks... I can basicly accept the opinion of everyone and respect their viewpoint as well ... my opinion does not chenge anyway: I am convinced I can spot a fake pussy.. I have licked one and spit on the floor---hehehe

Oh, one more thing: "I may not share your opinion, but I would fight for your right to express it" is Voltaire's and not Descartes'.. right?
Like Rodney King saied once: can we all get along now?
cheers buddies


cb Edited April 1, 2010 by curiousboy

[Guest deeply]

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']
Talk of quantum mechanics on a porn board, now I've seen everything.[/quote]

Anytime.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']kreamfan hasn't lost this debate at all since neither side can win.[/quote]

kreamfan has lost a chance to win, then.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']It's your word vs his and yours isn't worth anything more than his,[/quote]

Yeah well in this net neutral place, maybe.

In a logical hierarchical structure, more reliability would be found in these words, however.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']no matter how much you try to gift wrap it.[/quote]

Yeah sure, value structures over things being more superior than others in a debate, are gift-wrapping in a self-assuming way. Hard to be objective about something so subjective now, isn't it?

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']You talk a lot about truth but truth is in the eye of the beholder,[/quote]

If someone thinks that a gun won't go off and kill them, doesn't mean that the brief split second they hear the shot, to it going off and killing them, it hasn't.

A tad disagreement about truth there, but unknowns are all around inside this universe, but they have yet to be discovered.

Everything is wrong, but what logic attempts to do is get closer to right, as close as possible, even vindication at some point.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']seeing as how you can't know absolute truth without physical evidence, which neither of you have.[/quote]

Physical evidence is right there in on screen: look at post-op surgery, and look at surgery on a woman.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']So unless either of you can come up with a birth certificate of the before mentioned women or reports from a plastic surgeon, your "truths" are nothing more but opinions and suspicions and this entire discussion is meaningless.[/quote]

Yeah, pretty much. But this is what was being debated about, anyway. But still, there should be benefit of doubt:

"Guilty until proven innocent," doesn't fit a subject, because, "Innocent until proven guilty," does, because these subjects are, if innocent, doing nothing condemning, in fact, an opposite: a positive.

This is like a case for a legitimate killing, or a case for murder.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']Also you make it sound like kreamfan is close minded and you are open minded while it's the other way around.[/quote]

It was because kreamfan was going from one example to another, condmening those as being post-ops, when any open-minded person would have inititally thought they were not post-ops to start with.

Some had way less suspicious activity and appearances than others. One name that was tossed up was Bonny Bon: an actual mainstream porn star in the Industry. They have to supply birth certificates and have regular checks of their blood (so doctors would inform their employers with these checks for S.T.D.s, so why not gender?).

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']kreamfan has his suspicions but you can tell from several posts he made that he isn't completely sure,[/quote]

Well how it was read here, it seemed like there was no going back once an accusation had been made.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']meaning he hasn't ruled out the other option yet.[/quote]

Kreamfan better have not.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']You on the other hand claim to be so sure of your opinion that you call it absolute truth (which it is not).[/quote]

Benefit of doubt? Experience satisfying assertion? Uh, no... this is no means absolute. Let's clear that up.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']Your mind is completely fixated on one option without even considering the other one, that is close minded.[/quote]

Can't consider other one with any thought, because that would mean condemning an argument to deny post-op accusation. That's not strength in argument, even if it is playing plaintiff's advocate to original standpoint, to get a bigger sense of awareness. It renders at no stage, a bigger sense... because full skepticism and suspicion is being given. Been usually first to point a finger, but can't completely confirm, so leave it as a pointing that has a possibility to be further investigated.

For Lys, it's a lot higher than usual, when it comes to suspicion. Understandable from here, understandable from anywhere, really. But to be completely sure she's a post-op, to not be in a camp where masturbating over porn with Lys in is aforementioned to be homosexual, is jumping to conclusions far too hastily. Still in a wait and see camp, and a scrape bottom of barrel camp. Hobson's choice, as far as concerned.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']It is you that aren't considering other factors and as I said before, without evidence you have no facts or figures. It doesn't matter how nicely you try to gift wrap your points by talking about the universe, substance or perspective, at the core of all that you're still only saying "I'm right, you're wrong, shut up".[/quote]

Yeah, pretty much.

But on stamping feet, stamp loudest.

In a room full of shouters, guys that are heard shout loudest.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']If I were to take an educated guess here I'd say that you like the actresses mentioned in this thread,[/quote]

Not exclusively or universally, but in porn, it's a particular style that is definitely more appealing than eye candy to ejaculate to.

In a line up at a bunny ranch, would pick something short, petite, flawless complexion, symmetrical features, decent fun bags to have a handful in both hands, as tight as a button when it came to where to stick it. Don't feel confident enough in trouser department, to be able to satisfy (and thus be satisfied in turn), by a porn star that has had more cock inches than a round trip round a line of latitude or longitude.

For a relationship, it would be more about personality, attitude and what goes on inside (mind, not body).

For a family, it would be about how well that personality and attitude could parent, alongside this one, as well as genetic information, pelvis size and how hospitable biochemistry of womb is.

Digression: there are different likes for porn, as there are different likes for sex. BUt a line isn't crossed: no male dominant content, e.g. with cocks in it, post-ops, transsexuals, guys being penetrated by women with strap-ons, etc.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']you've been turned on by them or had fantasies about them, perhaps even talked to them online, either way.[/quote]

Actually in web cam chat with Lys, have.

Turned on? Not really. Have had a flaccid one all night with Lys, once. It's 99% about performance, usually... or where it lies in masturbation cycle. Can't start usually with a thought about extreme porn, have to warm up with thinking about a random encounter with a visually stimulating piece of eye candy... or maybe, having an urge due to feeling depressed, or sex deprived.... even bored. Sex is same, but when it can't be had (or is going to be not as stimulating, like bumping fuglies or vanilla same thing every time), out comes a different experience: pornography.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']You are repulsed by the very idea that one could be a post-op,[/quote]

Repulsed by what it means. Out of sight, out of mind... except then it comes out of NOWHERE when it hits.

So it's best to interrupt, control and intimidate an environment when it misbehaves to logical order.

In so much as: get back up again, if knocked down? Yes. Not a loser until final breath is exhaled. Intelligent and ignorant alike, can handle changing mind / removing confidence in one thing.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']you said it yourself that you would be very ashamed of yourself.[/quote]

Shame is a weird feeling... it's like it's intermittent, turns on and off before it has a duration to be registered.

If there's such a thing as irony, it would be feeling shame to feel shame. At least thinking in shame, not an actual feeling of.

Being fooled shows stupidity, even if everyone falls in same category. Take a 1000 years ago, for instance... would anyone be aware of how big this universe really is? Even one person? No.

But now, it's been measured at 930 Yattometers. So, now... no problem, as long as evidence can be studied and educated.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']You feel attacked by kreamfan because if his opinion were to be true, that would mean you have been attracted to a post-op which you associate with homosexuality and therefor you believe that he associates you with homosexuality.[/quote]

Yeah, it's a 3rd party by means of association attack on heterosexual purity, not heterosexual agenda.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']And seeing as how there's a 99.9% chance that even if they were post-ops they would never reveal it and you can never know the absolute truth, you set up a mental defence wall to protect you against that shame which causes you to be so defensive.[/quote]

Any thought that is thought to be true, could be considered to be a mental defense. This is avoiding any real expansion on classification, and is simply another way of putting "what is thought to be true."

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']Even if one of them turned out to be post-op, there is no reason to feel ashamed at all.[/quote]

Disagree. Would be letting heterosexual purity down, for being fooled into staying aroused and ejaculating (on rare occasion, see bottom of barrel), for a post-op that fooled this mind into thinking it was not.

Imagine everything that was not only told about what a woman is and is not, but what has been studied and personally investigated, coming from independent conclusion, was a lie.

That would rip to shreds heterosexual purity, and could even rock foundations of heterosexual agenda, if not strong enough to be able to adapt.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']Because gershi is right, porn is just a fantasy to get people turned on.[/quote]

Disagree. It should be taken in literal sense: woman gets turned on by turning herself on. This is arousing. Woman gets turned on (maybe even simply performing, if it's well enough coached... it can be negligible to arousal) by same sexual interests: i.e., extreme penetration. Woman cums, so reciprocity is shown. Woman makes an action which appreciation would be shown in watcher ejaculating: a lateral form of reciprocity.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']The people in pictures and videos may be actual people, but you don't know them,[/quote]

Thinking that anything is known, isn't thinking about something that can be thought of, at all. It's imagining.

How well is anybody known?

This is unimportant. It's about attraction. Being attracted through accustomed or continual exposure, is dangerous and leads to a shift in perception, through conforming with an environment that stays fixed, but can change at any time, and has no reinforcement to stay fixed.

Nothing is at it seems. Take universe, for example. It's all energy, organized to be transferred and held in a particular concentration, variable to flux. Now, every piece of energy is constant, so all energy must be replicated from a single source. This source?

That's a question every great mind in theoretical physicist can't answer. Existence exists. It's "supposed" to be axiomatic.

Letting go of constantly searching for fixes and truths leads to egocentricity or a rather unsettled mental state.

A feeling of real is lost when attention is too undivided sometimes.

Mind is as transient as flux, and that's fine... because that's what error rate is utilized for.

But primitive mind is not. Body simply doesn't switch on and off keeping heart beating at same rhythm, simply because it loses a sense of perspective that it doesn't need to...

Same goes for heterosexual agenda and purity included. It HAS to be fixed, or it is lost.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']you are fantasizing about the mental image you have of them as the performer, not about the actual person.[/quote]

No. What's actually there. Hate fake, hate anything that is a simulation. That's why there's a love/hate relationship with watching ANY porn on a screen. But it's not like eyes are designed to take in something physical, that's fixed: light has no rest state. It can be slowed down to about 50 miles an hour (through controlling laser beams), but no slower, as current technology escapes this possibility.

So even seeing a girl in "reality," sitting in front, a couple feet away, doing a cloned performance to one being seen on a screen, has merely a minor enhancement. Both states (seeing on a screen and seeing in front, a few feet away), are so similar, it's barely noticeable, especially with H.D. content now. Fame rate isn't as in sync with eyes as it can be, colors may be slightly different, areas of focus and choice of angle may be different, but it's similar enough to warrant a negation to not respond in kind, that arousal and masturbation does.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']In your mental image she may be a kind submissive sexual person who gets a kick out of pleasing her viewers[/quote]

Usually fake girls display coaching, or performances are in no way enthusiastic. Especially when it comes to pleasure / pain balances. A woman in pain but not turned on will sound a lot different to a woman turned on, but too turned on to even register pain, when exactly same amount of pain is being registered.

Also, sometimes is doesn't even matter. In a way, chilled by exploitation and power of whatever is coaching or coercing this individual to do exactly what is being preferred and watched. This is salacious, but is better than nothing. Another compromise, but not a negation. Thinking about mainstream for this.

Arousal sometimes isn't very fickle, even with pickiest of tastes... when under pressure by urge, it will grab at straws, even if they may be poor and regrettable choices in retrospect. It can battle and test self-control, to a stressful conclusion, with either choice. Sometimes stress is better postponed, than chosen as a "get this over with" thing. In a mental standpoint, at least. As in ebb and flow: but controlling ebb and flow, even though it can't be controlled to stop itself completely, can still be reasonable.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']while in reality she could be a cold hearted bitch who cams to fund her hobby, killing kittens for fun.[/quote]

Well, this kind of behavior is not supported, and if there was a way for her to change her perspective (be self-sustainable when it came to supporting, not relying on others to donate their earnings to fund hers, finding natural arousal from doing what she did... purely to satisfy and keep healthy, both sexually, mentally and physically), then it would be preferred. As explained, these actions don't completely negate things. Arousal can sometimes make tunnel vision out of more subtle and Machiavellian agendas, turning them against themselves, by not being fooled, but simply not considering them a problem that can't be escaped from.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']But that doesn't change anything, because the mental image that you had at that moment will always be the same.[/quote]

Past is theoretically impermeable, and impermeability (except existence through energy as a constant) is a logical fallacy. So perhaps energy comes from past being actualized... merely pondering. Maybe then energy is not a constant before past... if there is such a thing as non-thermodynamic linearity beyond this universe...

OK, enough.

Not going to preoccupy over fixed mental images, because mentality changes. Can't unsee, but can forget or distort... or be selective( which is a format of forgetting, anyway). Distortion is fucked up, to be honest. Excuse ability isn't so much fucked up, but it's a way to rationalize a "learning process" to make mistakes seem OK to be classified, and it's another egotistically derived format, in a sense. Rationalizing is excuse with evidence and scientifically justified protocol, which is not really a compromise... merely an explanation of understanding something that is irrational, rationally. It's not a contradiction... probably.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']The same is true if one turned out to be a post-op, you were never fantasizing about her having been a male but about the mental image you had of her, that being a woman.[/quote]

Again, this DOES NOT change initial heterosexual agenda (no modification to this past), but can be contrived into damaging it, when not adapted to. However, it does distort heterosexual purity.

[quote name='Dats' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM' post='173956']Also, people that swear, use namecalling or personal attacks in a debate simply cannot win, since they've already lost by default.
[/quote]

Disagree. Everything is in flux, everything can change, and minds change their states tthousands of times a second. What is personal when no identity really exists to attack? Finding out about there being no identity, even in genetics (E.R.V. causes 8% of human genome to be not inherited, but passing on environmental effects from generations in past, getting infections).

So, name calling and personal attacks (which weren't what was being construed, actually), merely means that a person has chosen to name call.

Called Gershi names cos it was reciprocal to be called even remotely liking post-op.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:29 PM' post='173976']
Thank you for your post Dats.

As for me. I want to apologize to Xthorgal. I believe Bubdzia is a female.[/quote]

A breakthrough.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:29 PM' post='173976']The other performers I mentioned I still am not sure about, and I will not discuss again.[/quote]

Better, but not "benefit of doubt."

Needs improvement.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:29 PM' post='173976']As for the photo of Kream that X sent in this thread, for me, Kream has died after she did surgery-cide.. [/quote]

Agreed. Sexy Kream died in 2004. R.I.P., sexy Kream.


[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:29 PM' post='173976']I like to think of her when she still did not have braces, breast implants, less ab muscles, and brunette hair. [/quote]

Yeah. What was awesome back then, was she was so petite, but took things (relative to her size) deeply and vigorously, and in that, was very rare.

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:29 PM' post='173976']Deeply, you have been cursing out just about everyone on the surfoo forums, and THAT is why they hate you there, and banned you.[/quote]

No, username deeply was banned after user Kreamfan (a.k.a Kosta Greek guy), made a virtual protest, by promising to not post on forums or user page.

Madly was banned for... can't remember. Probably criticizing Layla.

Truly... think lost pass word, so simply made Madly account.

It's off a song. But has more pattern recognition and connotations than that.

At present, going through an "Un" phase on Surfoo.

Currently Unchained. Have been, unchanged, unbanned, untouched, etc.

Probably going to make backup account that is not associated with anything...

unless thinking SUPER laterally (beyond 9 off-tangent connections, for example: make a tedious link, and choose a tenth example on end, that through nine other links, can be associated to original thing).

[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:29 PM' post='173976']But regardless, I'll apologize to you. [/quote]

OK.

Sorry usually is hardest word to say, before reciprocity comes.
[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:29 PM' post='173976']I am from now on ending this discussion. [/quote]

OK, no sweat.


[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:29 PM' post='173976']You can surely reply, and I'm sure you will,[/quote]

Self-explanatory. No... surely not?


[quote name='kreamfan' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:29 PM' post='173976']but I won't answer this thread anymore. [/quote]

How about read?

[quote name='gninori' date='Apr 1 2010, 05:18 PM' post='174003']
kreamfan, i dont think you offended Xthorgal. it's not a sin to think that Bubdzia is a post-op, even if she worked with the adminstrator of this site.[/quote]

No such thing as original or living sin. That's a religious term. When justified, nothing is should be sacramental.

It's a man-made fabrication, that's a flawed perception and argument to punish.

Punishment should be about what to get out of it.

Lock someone up to stop them killing again, for example.

Confine someone to solitary confinement, if they will kill, even if they are locked up.

Kill someone if they can find a way to escape any confinement, and kill again.

This is all is based upon legal rhetoric, because other assumptions (like there's no noticeable harm in killing, because population is so fucking huge), are left negated in legal rhetoric.

[quote name='gninori' date='Apr 1 2010, 05:18 PM' post='174003']Maybe it's completely wrong or fool or disprovable (like believing earth is flat, sun revolves around earth, one can predict position and momentum of a particle at the sime time with absolute precision, etc...) but not a mortal sin.[/quote]

It wouldn't be tolerated in an active society. That society would do everything in its power to silence that individual, because it's been shown that repeating something 3 times has same effect as 3 people saying same thing once, on perception when it comes to brain functionality.

It's OK to think that something isn't completely vindicated, but it's not OK to think something else that negates what has better evidence, but still is a theory, and not absolute truth.

[quote name='gninori' date='Apr 1 2010, 05:18 PM' post='174003']in your case i think it was a bit naive, but your opinion was respectful and we respected it, the more believable if it was supported by facts or evidences,[/quote]

Provided content to show girls with deep voices, girls with big ass lips, etc.

Extremes at one end (girls sounding like they are on helium), and girls at other end (girls sounding like they are going to grunt up a new language... watch combat opera, for reference).

[quote name='gninori' date='Apr 1 2010, 05:18 PM' post='174003']difficult to provide in this case. so no need to apologize. while someone else should apologize to gershi for calling him names,[/quote]

Gershi should apologize first.


[quote name='gninori' date='Apr 1 2010, 05:18 PM' post='174003']the perfect antithesis of what gershi was writing as principle of discussion, the method and form of discussing, not the matter or substance discussed about which is the very opinion expressed
[/quote]

Substance and matter is what matters. Goes in very word: MATTER MATTERS. Self-explanatory.

Method and form is elegance, and can still contrive lies into tapestries of great work, time and effort invested.

Aforementioned truth proven a lie with evidence, is still a lie, no matter how well that lie was formulated, with a different interpretation of evidence, that managed to fool even a guy initially inventing a lie.

[quote name='gershi' date='Apr 1 2010, 08:01 PM' post='174027']
This means you, sir, are a winner. Here is your award [/quote]

Whatever. Don't need credit: simply need acceptance of truth, to have agendas made, to restore and improve logical order. Gershi, apologize about making a mistake (Or not making a mistake and deliberately attempting to insult). Prompting now, not implying.

And Gershi, those examples given are either piss-taking, or being abusive to benefit of doubt being taken, with obvious examples where these are men dressed up as women. Even if done in jest, it's poor (yet an obvious ploy of a mocker) judgment.

[gershi]

Oh, one more thing: "I may not share your opinion, but I would fight for your right to express it" is Voltaire's and not Descartes'.. right?

Yes, you´re right indeed, my friend It was Voltaire. The meaning still remains the same

gershi

P.S.: deeply, I have only one number for your recitation: 42 Edited April 2, 2010 by gershi

[gninori]

"Kreamfan (a.k.a Kosta Greek guy"

Ok, I wasn't going to reply this thread. But that is simply not true. I have always been kreamfan in Surfoo, and recently changed it to porno. I never complained to anybody on that forum. I hardly even post there.

i think deeply unchained meant kosta elgaper

[curiousboy]

[/quote]
Aforementioned truth proven a lie with evidence, is still a lie, no matter how well that lie was formulated, with a different interpretation of evidence, that managed to fool even a guy initially inventing a lie.
[/quote]

Exactly around this point american lawyers make their, often ridicously, high amount of money. It's indeed not the truth that matters but how well the lie is rendered! It's more what it seems as what it is... and this goes deep-deep.. deeply into the american way to think and see life.
My usual 2 frigging cents, hehehe and I say this mellow-mellow-mellow, without wanting to offend nor indignate anybody.

cheers and 10Q RBB for giving us the possibility to dicuss about philosophy on a porn site!

everybody

cb

[gershi]

cheers and 10Q RBB for giving us the possibility to dicuss about philosophy on a porn site!

everybody

cb

Yes, good to be in such noble company



gershi

[Guest deeply]

[quote name='gninori' date='02 April 2010 - 09:16 PM' timestamp='1270239396' post='174236']
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"Kreamfan (a.k.a Kosta Greek guy"

Ok, I wasn't going to reply this thread. But that is simply not true. I have always been kreamfan in Surfoo, and recently changed it to porno. I never complained to anybody on that forum. I hardly even post there.
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i think deeply unchained meant kosta elgaper <img src="http://www.rosebuttboard.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jester.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="jester.gif" />
[/quote]

Yeah, fucked up. Brain fart, Apologies. Elgaper, not kreamfan. Was mentioning kreamfan in this thread, so brain went down a dead end.

[Guest deeply]

[quote name='kreamfan' date='10 April 2010 - 12:19 PM' timestamp='1270898391' post='175280']
apology accepted. Let's move on.
[/quote]

Seeing things out of context? Not apologizing concerning having a go about not giving benefit of doubt.

[Igisdgm]

I believe Lys is a woman for sure. And I saw someone that said he had never seen pussy penetration:

[URL=http://img641.imageshack.us/i/68653272.jpg/][IMG]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7118/68653272.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[zooole]

The amount of skepticism is overwhelming whenever a girl (yes, female, woman, chick) does something impressive with her butt. It is biased [b]male chauvinism[/b] to think that only men enjoy anal play and able to capture anything interesting about their butts on camera. Because of the difference in male and female brain the behavior when driving a vehicle differs somewhat, but it is a foolish thing to say that no women can drive!

[img]http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1001/danicapatrick.jpg[/img]

I bet if a video surfaced in which Fergie is enjoying some anal stimulation members on this board would be the first to suspect a sex realignment surgery.

[img]http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5726/fergieb.jpg[/img]

Get over your preconceptions people, and enjoy what the fine ladies have to show us!




[i]Some facts for skeptics:[/i]

[list=1][*][i]Ayla Mia was [b]Miss Fitness USA[/b] before her adult career ([/i][url="http://www.egafd.com/actresses/details.php/id/a0757"]EGAFD[/url][i])

[/i][img]http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2558/aylamia.jpg[/img]
[color="white"].[/color][*][i]Kream has a background in [b]bodybuilding
[/b][/i][i]
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[/i][/list]

[anllover]

wow what a silly discussion IMO.

This can be viewed like I viewed the whole Clinton sex deal. So what he was getting blow jobs from interns, while on duty - he was the president he was ALWAYS on duty. The ONLY person that Bill's actions should have concerned should have been Hillary. She did not seem to give a shit so why should we.

Back to Lys - As far as man or woman.... she is what you want her to be. When anyone of you ends up getting to know her personally and deciding to get hitched/married w/e, then you should be entitled to a straight honest answer. UNTIL then, she is making money by showing off her sexual talents. If you want to think she is a man, by all means go ahead but why would you decide to ruin a great sex act that way (if you are turned off by post ops)?

and to who ever it was that said she does ONLY anal insertions is WRONG WRONG WRONG. But I guess if you dont want to see, you are not watching and if you are not watching you are missing out.


anllover


edit in - good point by zoole above Edited April 20, 2010 by anllover

[gninori]

[quote name='zooole' date='20 April 2010 - 10:09 AM' timestamp='1271747368' post='176662']

[url="http://www.dumppix.com/viewer.php?file=3hwsg_TightTeenageEscortsV.jpg"][img]http://www.dumppix.com/images/3hwsg_TightTeenageEscortsV_thumb.jpg[/img][/url][i]

[/quote]
impressive portrait of kream as a young pornstar

[balzak]

[quote name='alahbarbo' date='24 March 2010 - 12:06 PM' timestamp='1269450405' post='172390']
I'm not saying she is. I heard the rumor that she is in the Movie section and now I'm concerned. I hear she is post-op. And with the medical technology today they can make a man look literally like a woman.

Does anybody have information about this or is this just a rumor?
[/quote]



[size="5"]Lys is ALL female...put that rumour to rest. Surgeons these days are good...but not THAT good. Take it from me, I am a medical professional, Lys is all girl! And a [b]stunning[/b] one at that. I am absolutely in love with her. Come to her site to find out why... Lys is beautiful, sexy, [i]and[/i] intelligent. you learn some french along the way, and if you are not totally satisfied after a month you will question your manhood! A woody never happened this fast to me....I get one just thinking about her. Members get live shows from ~330-700 PM. Guests get 7 minutes but 7 minutes is just a tease...and not enough Lys for a day so just do youself a favor and sign up as a member...you will be glad you did! Just don't make any plans for you afternoons! balz[/size] Edited March 15, 2011 by balzak

[fistmanNorway]

Well,l`ll say this. She stikes me as a guy. And that makes all the difference to me. I therefor don`t find her gapes interesting. Neither the gapes of Kirk. And he can out-gape anyone.

[arschfotze666]

I heard the rumor...


you are in a anal and fisting forum,all you can hear is rumor and loud fartings.