The Sodom and Gomorrah Show

[marlindickwater]

Hello friends,

After a hiatus from this site, I felt I should let everyone know what I've been up to. I have recently been traveling around the Late Great United States of America seeing what is left and what will become of this once proud nation. Our economy and dollar are continuing to plummet at a catastrophic rate. Foreclosures, bankruptcies, and economic peril, is all that is left of what was known as the middle class, or the backbone of this nation. A nation full of people willing to go along with the status quo. "If it doesn't effect me why should I care." Well it is time to care all. Current U.N. E.U and U.S. legislation are pinning the beginnings of control and abolishment of the internet as we know it. Time to act. Time to be informed and time to make a difference. Here's one for ya.

Some of the Presidential hopefuls and the current administration want to abolish the Internet for the sake of security. That means, sites like this and many other of our favs will be gone. I urge all of you to visit the following websites and become more informed of what is happening and about to happen to us all. I wish you all the absolute very best. But because somehow mainstream society will deem us as deviants, this site, and others like it will go away if you don't do something. I posted a while back at how I was lost in this porn game and how I felt it was time to move on. Call it a momentary lapse of reason. I should be able to watch what I want, when I want, in my own home, without any interference from anyone, as long it is considered legal. Well boys and girls I am here to stay, and now it is time to bring the fight to all that will oppose us...

http://www.truthnews.us/
http://www.internetfreedomcoalition.org/
http://www.savetheinternet.com/



"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."
"No government ought to be without censors & where the press is free, no one ever will."
"Our greatest happiness does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed us, but is always the result of a good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits."
Thomas Jefferson

[gninori]

welcome back MDW, even if not like a porn mogul but full of renewed strenght and political wisdom. tks for warning: yes we should take care of our liberties, internet included

“Those who would trade safety for freedom deserve neither.”
Thomas Jefferson Edited October 23, 2007 by gninori

[Tangerine]

Gr8 to see you here again MarlinD and for the most important thing, our freedom.
Sure we'll never give up the fight !

But apart for reading and supporting some free minded site as you point them, what can we really do in real life; especially us, a community from all over the world? ?

Si vis pacem, para bellum as said ancient gninorii. If you want peace prepare war so if we want to survive the way we choose better attack right now the evil forces IMO. (^ ^) Edited October 23, 2007 by Tangerine

[curiousboy]

Hey, I`m really glad to see ya back on the board again, MDW!
You are a wise guy and I`m gonna to have a proper look at those sites, you bet! I understand very well your costernation about your nation! I have been living in the US (LA, CAL) 4 years long (81 to 84) and it was the temple of freedom. Now it looks more like a "big brother`s" hell!
I am afraid the circle is closing..

Hugs,

cb

[anllover]

gone are the days of REAL MEN who would stand up, fight back and tell the government to FUCK OFF!!! and dump the tea in the harbor. i have watched in my life and the history books as the American has layed down even more EVERY day. always letting someone get taken advantage of "at least it isnt me" attitude. bunch of pussies - and just in time. the US OF A has been rewarded with all this BS for years of raping each other, and supporting a facist dictator who STOLE the election.

nation of pussies to let the presidency just walk away to "the guy with more BOUGHT power" and do NOTHING. hahahaha what has that shit done for you, just like a friendly bike theif - got your back. LETS THE TOWERS get bombed to further strip you of your rights (3rd reich tactic) and then what .... proof of more cowardess? yep. a huge US city gets flooded but the big guy, the american pussies put in powers would rather KILL IRAQIS, and AFGANIES (kill the rag head kill the rag head - you know even popeye was a racist and hated NIGGERS but that isnt Politically Correct anymore.) than to SAVE our own people. hahaha. and its never really been hidden that Bushhy boy has his money hands all in oil etc. that would OBVIOUOSLY make him bias but .... opps once again to fuckin stupid, lazy and domicile. like fucking pet cats.





break from my USA bashing;

OK so the internet eh? yeah its a shame. there are/is how many pedophiles and kiddie porn on the net? legally WHAT would be the site to get action take against it - nO its NOT a questions -RITORICAL is Rapidshare de and com. well is seems pretty fucking retarded for all these forums (several i am member of) are getting nervous of archiving web links. we host nothing and share NO kiddie... so why everyone so freaked out? and starting with the "forbidden lists". i mean IF someone wanted to sue, does this forum have any money to sue for? NO!!! does it host files? NO!! but Rapidshare has LOTS OF MONEY and it HOSTS THE FILES! billions of files. who should be nervous? you betch RAPIDSHARE should be, but nobody wants to use thier brain. its just scare tactics.
how many cases have went to the courts about sharing copywritten stuff?
How many have won? well they are pretty much getting thrown out of court.
and does everyone remember the big RS.de scare? everyone thought the german government was gonnna drop the BOOT? nothing happened and it turned out it was CAPITALISM at its best. files still at RS.DE and they have MANY MANY MANY more new customers and even some at BOTH locations.
hahaha suckers.


nobody is at hard asses and stubborn as me. i do remember what a boycott is and i DID read what its helped in the past so i still employ that tactic to LIFE.

my preaching is almost done...

one the good front, did you know some cops in England have beeen able to remove the face blur and catch a pedofile. hahaha runs scared you little kiddie fuckers - bubba gots a home for you BIATCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tangerine]

Great words Anll (^ ^)

Talking about the pedo who just modify his face pix in using a classical wirlwind effect on photoshop, this guy is not only mean but stupid 'co it's easy even for a noob to get the original pix justin using the same effect in the oposite way muhah stupid one !

[gershi]

first:

WELCOME BACK, MDW

really really good news

yes, freedom is totally essential. the right for free speech is essential, the right to express your thoughts. some wise man whose name doens´t come to my mind now *fuck* said something like:" i may not share your opinion. but i would always fight for your right to express it."

you know what? here in germany we have a strange thing going on. to understand this you gotta know that in germany we have very strict laws to prevent kids from getting in touch with porn. if you run a porn website you have to identify every user with a method called "post id". that means that you have to give the provider of the porn site your real name and adress, he then sends a postal document to you and you have to show the postman your id card and sign the document in front of him. then the porn site gets the document back and can be sure that the user is of legal age.

now to this thing: you all know youporn.com, don´t you? you can view the hardest porn there just by clicking yes when you´re asked if you´re 18 or older. by that you verify that you´re an adult. now a german porn site has accused a german internet provider of giving kids the opportunity to visit youporn.com without following the strict german laws. and you know what? this porn site won the case. now the second biggest internet provider in germany has to block youporn.com and a few other porn sites to ALL its users.

weird weird world

but i´m not a guy who believes that revolutions and big organized things can really change the world sure revolutions like the french revolution, the fall down of the soviet empire or even our german reunion were totally necessary. they gave the people freedom who once lived under a dictatorship. and surely organizations who do big things for freedom are necessary and they do a lot of good things.

but did this REALLY change the world? i don´t think so

only people.......everyone.......can change the world. and your best weapon is love

i´m a strong believer in the very own power everyone has to change the world. or at least to make a difference i just try to influence the people that are near me, the people i see everyday ot meet personally. or maybe virtually like here.....ya know what i mean but i put all of my power in this

a german comedian once said a wise thing. he was home not very often due to all his tv shows and stage performances. he was (he has died 5 years ago) the father of two kids and in an interview he was asked what he does with his kids in the little free time that was left for them. the interviewer asked him if he would sit down with his kids and also do normal all day time things like homework. he then said (roughly translated): no, no homework. i play with them. for me it´s much more important that they won´t become some assholes than that they are able to calculate the area of a triangle."

SPREAD THE WORD

edit: btw, the cops that re-whirled the picture of that kid abusing motherfucker were from the BKA (BundesKriminalAmt)......the german cia Edited October 23, 2007 by gershi

[gninori]

that was voltaire, dear ge, suitably rephrased

"je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire"
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

or, at least, it's commonly known as voltaire's because i found out that

* Though these words are regularly attributed to Voltaire, they were first used by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, writing under the pseudonym of Stephen G Tallentyre in The Friends of Voltaire (1906), as a summation of Voltaire's beliefs on freedom of thought and expression.
* Another possible source for the quote was proposed by Norbert Guterman, editor of "A Book of French Quotations," who noted a letter to M. le Riche (February 6, 1770) in which Voltaire is quoted as saying: "Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write" ("Monsieur l'abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire"). This remark, however, does not appear in the letter.

your last sentence is not clear to me: is it important or not to calculate the area of a triangle. maybe in the relationship between children and father it isnt', but as father i would try to convince my children it's (fairly) important to know it, even if they become poets
as well as it's important to keep reading poetry even if you're a scientist Edited October 23, 2007 by gninori

[anllover]

....Some of the Presidential hopefuls and the current administration want to abolish the Internet for the sake of security. ....

Barrett has a great answer for this problem. americans should, before its too late, reach out and touch their elected leaders.





but what gershi says is also good. try to be a positive influence to those around you EVERYDAY.

[gershi]

that was voltaire, dear ge, suitably rephrased

"je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire"
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

or, at least, it's commonly known as voltaire's because i found out that

* Though these words are regularly attributed to Voltaire, they were first used by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, writing under the pseudonym of Stephen G Tallentyre in The Friends of Voltaire (1906), as a summation of Voltaire's beliefs on freedom of thought and expression.
* Another possible source for the quote was proposed by Norbert Guterman, editor of "A Book of French Quotations," who noted a letter to M. le Riche (February 6, 1770) in which Voltaire is quoted as saying: "Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write" ("Monsieur l'abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire"). This remark, however, does not appear in the letter.

your last sentence is not clear to me: is it important or not to calculate the area of a triangle. maybe in the relationship between children and father it isnt', but as father i would try to convince my children it's (fairly) important to know it, even if they become poets
as well as it's important to keep reading poetry even if you're a scientist

GNINOPEDIA

thanks, my wise italian friend

i think what dieter krebs (the german comedian) said was: it´s not science or big inventions or the flight to mars that make a better world. it´s the way people live together the way they treat each other

culture is important, but living your live as a GOOD man is essential

[curiousboy]

but i´m not a guy who believes that revolutions and big organized things can really change the world sure revolutions like the french revolution, the fall down of the soviet empire or even our german reunion were totally necessary. they gave the people freedom who once lived under a dictatorship. and surely organizations who do big things for freedom are necessary and they do a lot of good things.

but did this REALLY change the world? i don´t think so

only people.......everyone.......can change the world. and your best weapon is love

i´m a strong believer in the very own power everyone has to change the world. or at least to make a difference i just try to influence the people that are near me, the people i see everyday ot meet personally. or maybe virtually like here.....ya know what i mean but i put all of my power in this

Damm, mate, you stole the words of my mouth! Hem, pardon, my keyboard
That`s exactly my point of view,

Hugs, brotha

as father i would try to convince my children it's (fairly) important to know it, even if they become poets
as well as it's important to keep reading poetry even if you're a scientist

Wise wise words, my friend, as usual.

ciao, samurai,



cb

[Tangerine]

Right Ge & Curious, the everyday world we live in is the first and better place to try change it in the right way, wise words, but we also live in a connected overmedia universe so there are many ways now to influence people on a much larger size IMO (^0^)

[marlindickwater]

Excellent replies gang, as always. Here are some words to ponder.

surveillance |sərˈvāləns|
noun
close observation, esp. of a suspected spy or criminal : he found himself put under surveillance by military intelligence.
ORIGIN early 19th cent.: from French, from sur- ‘over’ + veiller ‘watch’ (from Latin vigilare ‘keep watch’ ).

coerce |kōˈərs|
verb [ trans. ]
persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats : they were coerced into silence. See note at compel .
• obtain (something) by such means : their confessions were allegedly coerced by torture.

liberty |ˈlibərtē|
noun ( pl. -ties)
1 the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views : compulsory retirement would interfere with individual liberty.
• (usu. liberties) an instance of this; a right or privilege, esp. a statutory one : the Bill of Rights was intended to secure basic civil liberties.
• the state of not being imprisoned or enslaved : people who have lost property or liberty without due process.

freedom |ˈfrēdəm|
noun
the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint : we do have some freedom of choice | he talks of revoking some of the freedoms. See note at liberty .
• absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government : he was a champion of Irish freedom.
• the state of not being imprisoned or enslaved : the shark thrashed its way to freedom.
• the state of being physically unrestricted and able to move easily : the shorts have a side split for freedom of movement.



We live in a world now, more than ever where these words generally take on new meanings. We our now surveiled and coerced into a New World Order. A place where we do not have a say in our very freedoms. When the United States was founded not so many years ago, we adopted a Constitution and The Bill of Rights. These two documents are what my country was founded on and for some reason our last few Presidents, Senate, and Congress have forgotton these two very important documents. Without freedom there can be no liberty. What are the Governments of this world so affraid of? The people that's who. We have caught them in many lies. Lies about wars not needed, lies about matters of an international union. Lies about corruption, and the list goes on and on. Doesn't anybody tell the truth anymore. It's so much easier. Then you don't have to try to remember which lie you told whom. Power corrupts. And I fear there are more corrupt than rightious. But as Gershi and 'G' have said. It is up to us to make that change. If just by simply talking about it here, are we not making a change? By keeping people informed? If we all touch 4 people, and they in turn talk to 4 people. You get the idea.

I consider many of you friends, if only in cyberspace, but nonetheless friends. I wish to see all of you in person at some point in my life. I now deem all of you the directorate of;
'G', our Minister of the "Repository of Information". CB, our "Minister of Sport and Games". Gershi, our "Minister of Compassion and Love". Tang, our "Minister of Entertainment and Libations" LOL!! Anllover, our "Minister of Law and Order", and finally 'X', our "Minister and Keeper of the Sacred Rose and Chalis".
I am in your debt...

[Tangerine]

huhu difficult to hi-jack and bullshit this essential thread muha.
I think this political freedom concern depends of course where do we live and if I would be an american I should sure be frighten by the way things are evolving now.
Not much spy cams in France but it'll change soon I guess.
And we'll have now DNA test in our new straight immigration laws. And corruption is speading on a large scale.
When I was in Oxford Uk few months ago i was really surprised to be spy and camfilmed by a police copter for 15 mn whem my car was parked in a downtown no-parking bus zone . Brrrr bad vibes.

Well but glad to be a part of the RSBB Goverment can i propose a law for the Smoking-Anything-We-Want Freedom RSBB lobby ?

And about cyberfriendship here I can tell you it's a must to upgrade it with our 6 senses in reality; mate. (^^^)

[gninori]

MDW, honoured to have been appointed kinda "minister of culture and information" for RSBB

p.s. you the "minister of essential freedoms and pursuit of happiness" ? Edited October 24, 2007 by gninori

[anallogic]

Very good - speak up to make the world safe for pornocracy .

[gershi]

Right Ge & Curious, the everyday world we live in is the first and better place to try change it in the right way, wise words, but we also live in a connected overmedia universe so there are many ways now to influence people on a much larger size IMO (^0^)

no, tang it´s the same here than in real life.

here and in real life i´m surrounded by a lot of people. and here and in real life there are only a few that really matter people that listen to what you say and respond in an intelligent way, people who share the same way of thinking. and these are the people that you need to have a discussion like this one here

and then there are, here and in real life, a few more people that just listen. they may share your opinions but don´t take part in the discussion for whatever raeson this may be. or they disagree with you but also don´t take part in the discussion. the former you may strengthen in the "right" opinion, the latter you may change or at least influence in their way of thinking

but here and in real life there is a big quiet minority that just doesn´t matter and that´s simply because they don´t take part in running the world


and for MDW i have six words:

i´m glad you are back, friend

[curiousboy]

Thanx for the nomination, MDW, knowing the autority of the source I`ll be extreemly proud to hang this "Minister certification" on my wall!
I welcome you again, even for those members who does not know you yet!

Hugs,

cb

[prolaptotron]

a porn forum does not seem to me the ideal place for plotting political dissent. go look at porn. pornies.

[TBTB]

When I was in Oxford Uk few months ago i was really surprised to be spy and camfilmed by a police copter for 15 mn whem my car was parked in a downtown no-parking bus zone . Brrrr bad vibes.

Its even worse than you think over here Tang

Big Brother is Watching in Great Britain
Orwell knew what he was talking about. Bloomberg reports that in Great Britain “about 4.2 million spy cameras film each citizen 300 times a day.” They not only watch but now talk back:

It’s Saturday night in Middlesbrough, England, and drunken university students are celebrating the start of the school year, known as Freshers’ Week.

One picks up a traffic cone and runs down the street. Suddenly, a disembodied voice booms out from above:

“You in the black jacket! Yes, you! Put it back!'’ The confused student obeys as his friends look bewildered.

“People are shocked when they hear the cameras talk, but when they see everyone else looking at them, they feel a twinge of conscience and comply,'’ said Mike Clark, a spokesman for Middlesbrough Council who recounted the incident. The city has placed speakers in its cameras, allowing operators to chastise miscreants who drop coffee cups, ride bicycles too fast or fight outside bars.

This makes you wonder how long it will be until they equip television sets with spy cameras as in 1984. Great Britain has already spent one billion dollars on spy cameras over the past decade and has one for every fourteen citizens. There are plans to expand the system:

By 2016, there will be cameras using facial recognition technology embedded in lampposts, according to the Surveillance Studies report. Unmanned spy planes will monitor the movements of citizens, while criminals and the elderly will be implanted with microchips to track their movements, the report says.

There have been civil liberties concerns raised over the cameras along with Great Britain’s massive DNA database. The database helped solve 45,000 crimes in the United Kingdom last year but there have also been cases of people falsely identified, such as a man who was charged with a crime two hundred miles from where he lives who turned out to have sever Parkinson’s Disease and could not have traveled there. In addition to the cameras and DNA database, concerns have been raised over plans to add the medical records of 50 million people in the state-run health care system into a central database without their consent. There are also plans for “biometric ID cards linked to a national register holding every citizen’s fingerprints, iris or face scan.”

Professor Nigel Smart of the University of Bristol warns of a different privacy concern–the informtion people post on social networking sites. Hexus.net reviews these privacy issues.

Written by Ron Chusid

So; 1 in every 14 people needs to smash a camera and then problem solved But you need to be sneaky and creep up behind it ........... otherwise it will see you coming and shout at you

But seriously; BIG BROTHER seems to have arrived over here and looks to be here to stay Fuck! I think they've seen me writing this! I'm off .................

[anllover]

TBTB, damn brother I really didnt need to hear all that. No fucking wonder Bush was getting comfy with what's-his-nut Blair.... you got some crazy fucked tricks up your sleeves they want.

[Tangerine]

Thanx for the infos TBTB and brrrr I kew brits was so much in camspying but didn't know about the future.
Talking about Orwell and dark SF we are almost already in a Philip K. Dick script. like "A scanner darkly"

Hope we'll invent a hologram faked suit with counter radar device soon (^^^)

[TBTB]

This don't feel good does it guys? And we know where one goes; most normally follow! Forget Orwell and Dick; when are we all going to be featuring in a James Cameron script taking on droid's and bot's ............



And I can't see things improving with Blair out and Brown in. Unelected, undesirable and unloved .... the ideal politician!


Care to join in on the chorus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMj1xM8QCRg

I'll be back!

P.S. To MDW who started this thread. I know I sort of pulled this over to where I come from and where I'm concerned about as you are about your country and civil liberty in general (as am I); but hey, this shit is really happening! It seems we still have freedom of speech and action over here; but under VERY close supervision. And we know that Google etc have a collosal database of all of our search terms that is put under scrutiny .......... Big Brother is here boys and girls; so lets just hope that 'gape' 'fisting' and 'anal extreme' don't get outlawed ......... otherwise we are all in the shit! Back to the porn .......... Edited November 13, 2007 by TBTB

[anllover]

Don't a membership in the Montana militia sound awesome about now

[TBTB]

Fuck it; I'm off to the outer hebrides to live in a cave and knit my own socks out of recyled spaghetti! I hear they just got radio! .......................... and that means spycams in around 2080 .............. and I'll be dead by then! ........ but for my kids .......... post apocolyptic civilisationdom! ........... it should have stopped glowing by then ................. Don't this shit make you worry for you kids?