Talk of quantum mechanics on a porn board, now I've seen everything. kreamfan hasn't lost this debate at all since neither side can win. It's your word vs his and yours isn't worth anything more than his, no matter how much you try to gift wrap it. You talk a lot about truth but truth is in the eye of the beholder, seeing as how you can't know absolute truth without physical evidence, which neither of you have. So unless either of you can come up with a birth certificate of the before mentioned women or reports from a plastic surgeon, your "truths" are nothing more but opinions and suspicions and this entire discussion is meaningless. Also you make it sound like kreamfan is close minded and you are open minded while it's the other way around. kreamfan has his suspicions but you can tell from several posts he made that he isn't completely sure, meaning he hasn't ruled out the other option yet. You on the other hand claim to be so sure of your opinion that you call it absolute truth (which it is not). Your mind is completely fixated on one option without even considering the other one, that is close minded. It is you that aren't considering other factors and as I said before, without evidence you have no facts or figures. It doesn't matter how nicely you try to gift wrap your points by talking about the universe, substance or perspective, at the core of all that you're still only saying "I'm right, you're wrong, shut up". If I were to take an educated guess here I'd say that you like the actresses mentioned in this thread, you've been turned on by them or had fantasies about them, perhaps even talked to them online, either way. You are repulsed by the very idea that one could be a post-op, you said it yourself that you would be very ashamed of yourself. You feel attacked by kreamfan because if his opinion were to be true, that would mean you have been attracted to a post-op which you associate with homosexuality and therefor you believe that he associates you with homosexuality. And seeing as how there's a 99.9% chance that even if they were post-ops they would never reveal it and you can never know the absolute truth, you set up a mental defence wall to protect you against that shame which causes you to be so defensive. Even if one of them turned out to be post-op, there is no reason to feel ashamed at all. Because gershi is right, porn is just a fantasy to get people turned on. The people in pictures and videos may be actual people, but you don't know them, you are fantasizing about the mental image you have of them as the performer, not about the actual person. In your mental image she may be a kind submissive sexual person who gets a kick out of pleasing her viewers while in reality she could be a cold hearted bitch who cams to fund her hobby, killing kittens for fun. But that doesn't change anything, because the mental image that you had at that moment will always be the same. The same is true if one turned out to be a post-op, you were never fantasizing about her having been a male but about the mental image you had of her, that being a woman. Also, people that swear, use namecalling or personal attacks in a debate simply cannot win, since they've already lost by default.
