QUOTE(anllover @ Nov 20 2007, 08:08 AM) [snapback]65722[/snapback] Sorry Marlin but the only solution that MIGHT work for the WEST is to have WWIII drop down on Bush and remove him like the world did with Hitler. Western politicians have learned alot from Hitler. Mostly HOW FAR they can go, and WHAT LINES no to cross. Hitler would have gotten away with it IF he didnt..... lets just say he jumped in his car and started taking over everything Straight Down The Road. The USA has the smarts to jump around the world picking and choosing thier conquests. And the funnest thing (sick funny not haha funny) is the American People are about the most 2 faced inhuman people on the earth! Selfish and hatefull bags of flesh. NOT ALL but a majority are... why else would the entire country keep turning thier backs at the shameful way THEIR companies do business? Sure shit on Michael Moore. He is fat and ... well a good target. What can he really do about Flint? Just through money at the town. Come on, have you an answer? Fuck if i bettered myself and had no way to turn around the SLUM I lived in, damn straight I would more also. At least he is spreading the INFO NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR about shameful companies. Do any Americans remember the big push many many years about, "buy with the 'made in america' label" You fucking clowns DIDNT buy. And no wonder the GM, FORD, NIKE, and whatever are going next door. Attitude is the key problem in the WEST. perhaps you should ALL read about Iceland. and then come back here and tell me WHY I SAID to. hmmm... well, i have no problem apologizing for the typical opinions that most members of other countries have for the lethargic, whining american. i think that some of it is due to stereotypical views that people have of us because of media highlights that they've seen, or the exploits of the present government. some see us as sword-wielding conquerers, or just "ignorant and stupid spoon-fed american fucks"... but what i can't do is apologize for all that, and at the same time be called a clown because i don't buy only american made labels. the reason i don't really care for michael moore has nothing to do with his weight, or what city he lived in, or that he made some money and moved to a better neighborhood. i just don't like the way he delivers his message. i think he's obnoxious. it's almost like hearing from someone who may have a semi-valid opinion, but to hear it, you also have to suffer being called a sick, 2 faced, inhuman, selfish, hateful bag of flesh. to me it just diminishes the message. it makes it hard to listen to. one thing i've learned is that you can take just about any opinion that someone has about a particular subject (or country, for that matter...) and poke holes in it all day long. there's always a bigger picture. for instance, i think it would be cruel to MANY international governments for the U.S. to suddenly stop trade and "only buy american". china is about to go under right now just because our currency has de-valuated, and americans are still spending. your opinion is very much like (albeit, drenched with underlying tones of hatred...) the others that i've heard that makes me kind of ashamed to live in the states. but, as with most everything else, there is a dichotomy involved. nothing really meaningful could ever be said about anything when only generalities are spoken. besides... where would i move to? canada? i've learned enough in this short dialogue alone to think that's probably not something i would enjoy. anyway, back to dichotomy... i'm a military man. have been on and off my entire life. since you seem to think that war is really the only thing the U.S. is good at, i'm sure you will immediately form some opinion of me. visions of a blood-thirsty illiterate choking the life out of some under age sweat-shop worker probably come to mind. well, it may surprise you to know that, while on the one hand, i did in fact spend a few years teaching young men how to shoot the wing off a fly 1000 yards away, my patriotism can't be quantified with a catch phrase like "support our troops". my support for the armed forces and any war effort i may be involved in runs much deeper. not a conscientious objector, but more of a conscientious participant, if you'll pardon the play on words. i believe that, more often than not, there is a deeper need for war that involves providing relief to those who suffer injustices (death, extermination, terror, genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc.) and who cannot defend themselves. in this way, i suppose, my beliefs and desire to render aid to those poor unfortunates is directly in line with that of most unselfish canadians, who have been involved in every major war i can name. to a lesser extent, certainly, than their war-mongering southern neighbors, but thats only because canada is a lessor player at the international table. now, that is not to say that i blindly follow and support my government. on the contrary, i firmly believe that george bush is an idiot whose been groomed almost as a monarch by his wealthy family. i think he's done nearly irreparable damage to this country, and it will take many many years for us to recover. i believe this most recent war in iraq, while providing a necessary relief from the likes of a ruthless dictator, does, in fact, have money (oil...) driven motivations. but i can say, i believe its not strictly about that. and i can also say that the war in afghanistan has nothing to do with oil, and everything to do with the revelation that came to the U.S. regarding just how powerful terrorist factions in the middle east were becoming. do you really have any idea just how powerful the taliban and al-qaeda are? do you really believe that in 30 years, if nothing was done, they wouldn't come stomp the shit out of canada to get to the U.S.? can you imagine what a slap in the face it is to have just spent 16 months crawling around afghanistan trying to make sure you stay safe and enjoy the freedom to get buggered' up the ass all day, then be called a sick, 2 faced, inhuman, selfish, hateful bag of flesh? YOU'RE FUCKING WELCOME! and, i think thats what a LOT of people don't really get. most people have such a conspiratorial view of things... they get a hint of something in their ear and they immediately try and apply what they've heard to one of the "devils" that they personally dislike, which, more often than not, is based on third party opinions and has nothing to do with some first-person interaction of any kind. kinda stupid... like if i developed this big "blueprint for hatred" that involved me not liking canadians, when, in actual fact, i don't really know any. and in spite of things i may have heard, i'm more inclined to think that canadians are fine people. anyway, love what you've done with the thread. just wanted to stop by and say hi!